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Saturday, March 20, 2010

Grice at the Arts College

--- by JLS
------- for the GC

--- In Commentary to "culturism", J. Kennedy writes of the:

historical avant-garde', who are not all, these days, drawn from the upper classes. I spent three years submerged in the world they built themselves at a tiny arts college, and there was this continual problematic experience (only on the part of the students, it seemed) of attempting to divide works that might have an obscure or complex design for a reason, and a heap of other works that seemed to be equally prized (or more) that were simply very heavily encoded, to provide the experience Kramer terms 'culturism'.

I will let of course Kramer respond in the appropriate thread, or this -- etc. In any case, it provokes me good. I was once involved with an arts college and never understood them. So details welcome. My experience is with an US-based arts college. I was involved in a graduate programme and came to know the people lecturing on 'aesthetics', and never quite understood a thing. In fact, whenever I found myself having to attend those arts courses (the other in my alma mater with aestheticists Presas and Moran) I would lecture on just Grice, and found it fascinating!

--- I have now grown up out of the simplicities of most aesthetic theory and think that 'art' has NOTHING to do with 'aesthetics' which should be strictly Gricean in nature and along the lines of F. N. Sibley's collected papers ("Aesthetics", Clarendon Press). -- "Aesthetic properties" are sensual second-order properties:

-- the teapot is yellow.
-- The teapot's yellow is nice.

(ii) indicates an aesthetic property.

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But back to Art. For that Presas seminar, I had to research and did on 'conceptualism', which in a way IS like 'concettismo'. I focused on, as I recall a few American and English artists -- and one Italian: Gilbert Droesch.

Joseph Kosuth, the American, was quoting Ayer's Language, Truth and Logic, to the effect that

'aesthetic' judgements, rather than emotional outbursts -- as Ayer did think they were -- were 'analytic'. This is silly but Kosuth argued for it:

'This is a piece of art'

is, for Kosuth, ostensive, and analytic. It defines the utterer's intention to treat the thing as a piece of art.

---- (Kosuth explicitly cites Ayer on this).

Then I used Keith Arnatt's piece of art -- in "Art Movements since 1945" by Lucie-Smith, a Jamaican. Arnatt photographed himself holding a sign that read:

"I am a real artist".

I surveyed opinions on this and we agreed again that Kosuth was being funny and Gricean. I approached him later on on this, and he just went, "Oh, that was an early piece!". By the time he was photographying trash in the London dumps.

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Then I discussed and corresponded with George Passmore (born Devon) and Gilbert Proesch (born in the Dolomites and who still keeps his strong accent), better known as,

"Art For All"

or G & G

They present themselves (and perhaps their selves) as "work of art". Notably in their performance of "Underneath the Arches" where they echo to Flanagan and Allen.

There was also a discussion by me with R. Walker, "Contemporary Art" (Thames and Hudson series -- Art after pop) which reproduces a page from the Coventry-based "Art and Language" group by Heritage and Atkinson. These authors were Gricean culturismic figures: they talked about art as if they meant it.

Perhaps Yoko Ono falls in this category too, as I was recently discussing elsewhere her Grapefruit -- the idea that art is in the idea -- or Gricean intention -- rather than in the fulfilment of it.

In my more theoretical work to back up these manifestations I analysed three levels (following Goodman) of the language (so-called) of art. There's first the semiosis which is understood as

-- syntactic -- the work of some conceptual artists with combinations of signs.

-- semantic -- Kosuth's "Three Chairs" for example, at the NY exhibit: the chair which is real, the chair which is the photo of the chair, and the chair as defined by the dictionary.

-- But I claimed that the constitution of the 'art' object requires a third level which is

-- pragmatic: here is where the Gricean intention features large.

When I was involved with this arts college, I was able to provide some of my thoughts in a mimeo that I may have somewhere, and where I played with Catherine Lord. She (and later people cited by Lamarque in his good compilation of "Analytic" Philosophy and Aesthetics -- citing Urmson and Sibley and not just Grice -- of this 'Oxford' movement) was perhaps one of the first to deal explicitly with Grice. But my reading of her "Gricean approach to aesthetic instrumentalism" sort of disappointed me, and I had to read a bit more of Scruton (his "Aesthetic Understanding") to get at the Gricean gist of it. Finally I found it in a good collection in Cambridge University Press, "Pleasure and aesthetics". I was able to connect then the idea of

--- the teapot's yellow is nice

with the instillation of 'pleasure' in the addresee. Whoever painted the teapot yellow, and with this or that SHADE of yellow, provokes a 'pleasing' experience in the addressee. Surely, watching the sun come down is ALSO pleasing. But when we combine 'aesthetic' with 'non-natural' we get at the gist of the grice for the mill, as it were.

For this "Pleasure and Aesthetics" conservative book from Cambridge U. P. argued that the Gricean intention on the part of the utterer is not merely instrumental (as Lord argued, or just 'intentionalist' alla Beardsley's 'fallacy'). Rather what the Gricean arist is proposing is TO INCREASE (in a sort of maximin strategy based on some principle of efficiency) the utility of pleasure.

I tend to agree with that view. If I go to the opera (as I'll do tomorrow, for a local production of "Lady Macbeth") I expect the whole proceeding will be 'pleasing' enough (to the ear, the eye, and I hope not displeasing to the nose). Etc.

21 comments:

  1. I would only comment now that "culturanism" is not my term, exactly, but a guessed translation of "culturanismo," minus the pun on at the Lutherans' expense. I was referring to the fact that the Spanish include the reference to culture in their name for the phenomenon, not any original thought of my own on the subject.

    All sorts of clubs speak in secret-handshake words to remind each other that they are members and others aren't. It's interesting to distinguish among the tests - those that look to general cultural literacy, say, vs. those that appreciate a certain slant on things (pomo jargon, a la Butler) or words of a given art among its practitioners (musicians talking about axes and chops and such). And, may it please the court, there are the not previously hereinabove mentioned lawyers.

    It was a paragraph by Butler on capitalist hegemony or some such that "won" Dutton's Bad Writing Contest in her year. More info is available at the Arts and Letters Daily web site, I think.

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  2. Yes, I was surprised to read at the wiki Spanish-language entry for "culteranism" -- isn´t it slightly obscene that each lingo has its own entries for the wiki? Shouldn´t science be uniform? I recall the outrage felt (improper in my view) by a Hispanic scholar on account of "modernism" NOT matching "modernismo" --.

    For that entry, which is NOT available in English, thus making the whole thing VERY parochial, went along the lines that Kramer mentions, that "culteranism" (an ugly word that neither Kramer nor I would use -- Kramer used "culturism" from what I recall rather and that is the proper term that Kennedy quotes Kramer as using anyway) is indeed, as Kramer mentions, a BAD pun on

    -- lutherans (and what has Luther got to do with this!? Spaniards!)

    -- and culture proper.

    I should revise the relevant passage in the wiki.

    Kramer is right about the pomo thing and the Dennis Dutton contest. As I recall, it was an essay published in a journal, and Butler herself acknowledged the prize and collected the money. (As if she needed with the fortunes she makes with her paperbacks and things).

    Culture has nothing to do with it, and the Spaniards do use "conceptismo", too, which relates to "concettismo" of the Italians. They also use "manerismo" which is the manierismo of the Italians. And then of course there´s Baroque. Etc.

    The pun "culteranism", from what I recall reading about it like a couple of hours ago now, was this idea that "culturanism" was BAD culture. As when we say, "affected" -- what has affection got to do with this?

    "Cultivated" seems to be the good root here, cognate with the idea, by the Romans, that to have a culture is the ability to cultivate the soil -- or something.

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  3. The relevant passage in the wiki entry for "culteranism" at the Spanish-language wikipedia goes:

    El culteranismo (es un) término despectivo creado desde la palabra "luteranismo" para parangonar a los culteranos como herejes de la verdadera poesía

    "culteranism" (or "culturism" as Kramer prefers, minus the pun on the Lutherans) "is a derogatory term coined out of "lutheran" to compare the "culterans" as heretics of true poesy". Or something.

    A lot of the romance language puns, unlike the English, or Germanic ontes, trade on the suffixation: language --> linguaggio, cultura --> culturano. I wouldn´t know if the phenomenon occurs in the English language, where out of a root, "culture", we get a few derivatives, "culturoso", "culturano", "cultErano". I expect it does, but wouldn´t know many derivatives out of "culture". Recall that Tylor had problems with "culture" itself and prefered "lore" as in "FOLK-lore". I wouldn´t know if the GREEKS had the idea of "culture" that was pretty prevalent amont the romans. With People like Manuel Puig (of the Kiss of the Spider Woman fame) and their emphasis on "pop" culture, or low culture, fings ain´t as they was to be nomore -- or something.

    In England, women of high culture wore, for some reason, blue stockings -- to pretend they were males, I assume.

    Etc.

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  4. "All sorts of clubs speak in secret-handshake words to remind each other that they are members and others aren't. It's interesting to distinguish among the tests - those that look to general cultural literacy, say, vs. those that appreciate a certain slant on things (pomo jargon, a la Butler) or words of a given art among its practitioners (musicians talking about axes and chops and such). And, may it please the court, there are the not previously hereinabove mentioned lawyers."

    Naturally, Foucault and his commentary on discourse and the forming of new scientific disciplines, etc, but, and perhaps Kramer can supply the suitable evolutionary parallel, not all clubs are as misguided as to interpose themselves between the obscured informational load of the text and its revelation without having the law to compel people into their arms.

    Academics of the sort I was surrounded with are, finally, participating in their own continued marginalisation, which seems small recompense for the frissons that visit them during an 'unpacking' of a particular Butler or, another prose fiasco, Fredric Jameson.

    There is also how this approach of encoding a message so that only a small group can decode it, how this fits with the Gricean maxims and does this reveal how the CP invokes (always? in extreme cases?) its darkside of an Uncooperative Principle with regards to 'everybody the message is not intended for'.

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  5. Excellent points and I trust Kramer will find an evolutionary thingy.

    I have commented on the Gricean handshake elsewhere ("The Gricean Handshake"). Kramer speaks of the 'secret handshake', and there is such a thing -- but we wouldn't know. I tried to install a Gricean handshake, but tried it with myself and failed (I had forgotten the ritual). But that seems to work with Grice okay. Indeed VERY well. The only problem, in a Greek fraternity, is how to KEEP the number of the right people o-kay. I suppose that the most exclusionary the trickier the way. I am aware, e.g. of the Bones Club at Yale that Bush belonged to. It possibly did and does include a special handshake. But I wonder if people KNOW about it. Would once IT WERE known be that a sufficient reason to change it? I would! (change it).

    Butler is still a different club. When I started using this silly sobriquet, 'Grice club', I don't know what I was thinking. I used to call it a Grice Circle -- etc. I recall a good quote by Boswell on that, or by Johnson on Boswell, I forget, "He (either Boswell or Johnson) is a very clubbable man". I always liked that quote, and having seen the rather horrid Fleet Street (originally a rivulet) in London, I can't see what he (Boswell or Johnson) found so fascinating about being so clubbable --. If you read "Who's Who" for P. F. Strawson you'll read: "Club: Athenaeum". I hate that kind of thing. The gentleman's club IS the right club, though. There are quite a few, and even some elsewhere. E.g. I know ALL The clubs of THAT sort in "Road to Buenos Ayres". My favourite was one called "The Strangers' Club" -- "The Strangers' Club of Buenos Ayres," for long.

    Butler is yet different and indeed a flout to Grice. You read her and she is flouting Modus ('be perspicuous') but then Grice IS also, when using 'perspicuous', which, a Griceian fellow I knew, thought meant 'perspicacious' ('be perspicacious'). I said, "it cannot mean, 'perspicacious' because Grice couldn't be having, to use Kennedy's phrase above, the law compelling you to her arms, or something. I mean, how can you maximise or even provide a blue print or guideline for 'perspicacious'?

    Butler flouts all four categories -- and the Butlerians follow suit:

    -- quantity: she tends to repeat. Her abstracts are more like concretes.

    -- quality: she doesn't seem to have what Einstein called "adequate evidence" for what she is saying.

    -- relation. Usually there is a change of topic of the abrupt kind at chapter v of whatever she is writing about.

    -- modus: she uses the occasional simile in a categorial mode when it should be "trans-" categorial.

    Etc.

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  6. Frederick Jameson is another one. I never read him, but I love to review his oeuvre. As Jason Kennedy calls it, a failure. (He uses the Italian precieux "fiasco" for that).

    -- Jameson and the Jamesonians flaut all four categories and the meta-principle itself. Indeed they propose what Kennedy calls the

    Uncooperative Principle:

    make your contribution such as is NOT required by people who don't belong in the club, at the stage at which it occurs (usually a classroom and at an inconvenient time of the afternoon when one should be doing something else, usually more interesting), by the accepted purpose or direction of the talk exchange in which you are engaged: a bunch of pretentious babblers who are trying to get a good grade at the silly course they have enrolled for -- and to think the teacher gets paid for this gives you the trembles.

    --- quantity
    1. may your contribution as idiotic as is required. If you are Jameson, keep quoting yourself.
    2. do not make more contribution MORE idiotic than it need be. A fiasco is still a fiasco: an attempt at seriousness

    quality
    1. do not say what you believe to be a truism.
    2. do not say that for which you or your students have obvious evidence for.

    relation
    do not connect (only).

    modus
    1. enhance obscurity of expression. Recall Cicero, 'obscurus per obscurius'.
    2. promote ambiguity at the four semiotic, syntactic, semantic, and pragmatic levels. Use foreign phrases in Slavic languages.
    3. don't be brief. Expand by way of ellipsis and brackets -- and footnotes and endnotes quoting your colleagues, mainly. Or personal correspondence never intended to be disclosed.
    4. care not for orderliness. There will be a subject index automatically compiled, etc. Do try and keep a capital letter for proper names, even if not so in the adjectival form ('aristotelian'). Do not proceed via premise to conclusion. That's boring and expected. Use the non-sequitur abductive heuristic technique of brainstorming and providing meta-counter-examples to theses you should not care to make explicit --. Students will love that and it makes student presentations easy to swallow (they are not really following anything).

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  7. One more point I wanted to add was the amazing practice of 'translating' Butler, et al, not into readable English, but into a suitably unreadable French, German, Spanish, etc.

    Whoever undertakes such a task must be even more talented than Butler, to be able to 1) fully understand what Butler is saying, 2) take this understanding and translate it into 3) a suitably baffling arrangement of words in the destination language.

    If they had any sense they'd peel off the notes for part 2 and issue a "Butler for Dummies"

    "and to think the teacher gets paid for this gives you the trembles."

    I really didn't mind, but the point still remains, if the professor can explain the material in plain language to the undergraduates, then why not write 'that'* in the book to begin with. The professor would still have a contribution to make, just as they did when explaining comprehensible theorists such as Benjamin (where they get to issue a strangled "Bee-yaaa-meeen" and Foucault, Baudrillard, etc).

    Perhaps the answer is more tied to the imperative (and I don't think it is a base wish for money, not a direct one at least) of generating a discourse to fill / expand a territory, Critical Theory, in the absence of any other contributing pressures. The cue for this new discourse is political theory and, most laughably, the wish to 'scientize'??? the language of theory. This was a constant refrain among the academics, as anything tethered to science somehow became 'relevant'. It also generated my founding of The Law of Artistic Appropriation of Schrödinger's Cat, which basically states that every such appropriation *always* misstates the original.

    ---

    With regards to secrets, there is the Derrida contribution, but I won't quote it here, as it is a touch long and you (plural) may well be already aware of it.

    ---

    *It is the opposite situation of an anecdote I encountered. A novelist was asked to 'sum up his novel in a sentence' and said, "If I could do that, I'd just have written that sentence..."

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  8. But Jason, you should perhaps be more explicit as to the arts college. I believe, for example, that Grice (or what he dealt with) belongs in PHILOSOPHY. Not even linguistics! ---

    Butler and Jameson may be different creatures. Butler teaches rhetoric so her work will not be welcome as readings in philosophy programmes. I was happy to be able to follow from BA-MA-ToPhD a very strict PHILO PHILO PHILO PHILO programme, where teachers were only philo philo philo philo philo -- cross disciplinary or mixed bags things were disallowed. It is as a philosopher that I comment on Grice.

    So if you are thinking of an arts college -- you mean Fine Arts? Because there's also in America "Faculty of Arts and Sciences" or something and there's also the MA master of arts. But in most unis there is Department of Philosophy and that's where what Grice said is most relevant -- rather than, say, his work on implicature as vacuumed by linguists and anthropologists.

    Butler may be different.

    I would think Derrida, Deleuze, Foucault, Benjamin, all BELONG to pure philosophy as Grice did.

    So we should discuss the syllabus or curriculum of the arts college -- in this thread at least. Its goals. Where does Butler or Grice fit in. Why is such academic prose even required?

    I was under the assumption that your arts college was a fine-arts college, but -- it may be just something which did have a philosophy deparment. And it IS said to see a philosopher who is citing work by someone who does not even aim at being a philosopher (Butler?).

    You are very right about translating --. Etc. Later.

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  9. Ok. I will name it!

    Dartington College of Arts in the UK (now absorbed into another institution).

    Not a fine arts college when I studied there, though in the past it had more of a classical approach.

    It used to have only four courses - Performance Writing, Visual Performance, Theatre, Music - I did the writing course there. The course content and structure grew out of, I believe, the 60s, when Theory began entering arts colleges like Goldsmiths, and by 1997, on my course, theory was at 50%. That's a lot of extra time to fill and the usual suspects were:

    Kristeva, Butler, Foucault, Benjamin, Barthes, Bahktin, and a few others.

    Some were useful, but Butler really stands out as it was completely incomprehensible, like Raymond Williams Keywords raised to the 10th power.

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  10. Good. I'll find out more about that Dartington, never you mind!

    R. Williams rings a bell too.

    You did a lot of good reading. I'm sad at the idea of 'theory' as you call it. While you don't need or we don't need to speculate on particular institutions it's good to reminisce onto classes, titles for classes or courses we attended, etc.

    So your programme was "Peformance Writing", and the classes. Do you remember their titles. Was Butler just provided in a class called "Performance writing". I never read any Butler other than that Bit That Dennis Dutton shared with us. It's in the Worst Writing for I forget what year.

    Dutton has a point. The next year he nominated Bhabha. But HE (Homi Bhabha) is different in that he perhaps did not have English as his first language, unlike Judy Butler. So Butler just grew incomprehensible against her papa and mama. Sad.

    I don't know what her problem is. I think it's syntax and lexical, mainly. Since I don't know what she is talking about, I wouldn't know. At least I know Grice is trying to do philosophy!

    ---- The other authors you mention ring a bell. Kristeva is a woman, or female. You can tell by the -a, at the end. Had he been a male we'd call him Kristev. Eva. I think she was with Todorov (who, had he been a female, we'd call him Todorova). Those are emigres to Paris, and so they don't count as French intellectuals since French was never their mother tongue (and it shows). Barthes I never understood, and Benjamin was more like a German critical thing -- incomprehensible. Bahktin was the one onto polyphony and other eccentricities.

    But then, what was the point of instilling those authors onto you. They were meant to provide a critical framework for your performance writing?

    In the philosophy programmes they never teach you to write and it shows! (But I pity Anglophone students to have to endure the teaching by furriners with bad accents talking Foucault to them! The least they could do is at least teach Grice who was anglophone alright -- ah well. Dartington. We should see what it has transformed into now. And I'd be interested to see what you mean it was into 'classics'. In philosophy, or faculties that have philosophy dept, there is usually a VERY silly department -- to the right, floor under, same corridor -- usually, called extrinsically, the "Classics Department". It's a boring area, full of outdated types.

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  11. "Classical" - classical music, a ballet course, sculpture, etc, not the JLS variety of classics...

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  12. "But then, what was the point of instilling those authors onto you. They were meant to provide a critical framework for your performance writing?"

    Yes. There was the work and the learning how to speak of the work.

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  13. Telling friend from foe is obviously a big deal in nature. Knowing things only a member of the tribe/clan/club can know has an evidentiary value that mere proclamations of membership cannot. (Have you still not seen "Inglourious Basterds," JL? The "I don't recognize your accent" scene is worth the price of your admission.)

    Oppressed groups, especially need these devices. There's an "Are you Jewish, too?" dance (I believe Victor Borge was Jewish: "I'm two, are you two, three?"). And here's a chapter on Gay Semiotics from Bill Percy's website.

    More generally, semiotics is the free lunch of communications. If you have to say something about something, say it in a way that says something about you at the same time. A bus carrying people from one place to another can also carry an advertising message to passers-by. People dress in a way that communicates because the bandwidth is free. (The clothes aren't free, but then, sometimes the point is to declare how much - or how little - one is willing to spend on clothes.)

    I assume that PoMo inaccessibility is tactical, driven mostly by insecurity. If the only people willing to do the work necessary to understand you are people who are inclined to agree with you, the risk of being proved completely vacuous is much less. One doesn't want to fall into the trap the late Sen. Howard Baker did when he started out as a trial attorney. He lost his first case, and his father, a distinguished practitioner, who attended the trial, said of young Howard's summation "Your problem, son, is that you speak so much more clearly than you think."

    You won't find Judith Butler or Homi Bhabha in that predicament, nosirree. Prof. Bhaba actually expresses some arcane-ness envy in response to criticisms of his style: "The idea that sources from the humanities have no philosophical language of their own, that they must be continually speaking in the common language of the common person while the scientists can publish in a language that needs more time to get into, is problematic to me." I always thought that "problematic" meant "doubtful," as opposed to "bothersome." Maybe that's the problem: if you don't actually know conventional English, you may as well make something else up.

    Non-fiction writing, it seems to me, should be as accessible as the subject matter permits. Literary fiction, on the other hand, must answer to the demands of art. Accessibility is only one desideratum, if that. Still, I imagine that there are certain authors who, with their cliques of readers, form a club with a language that only the members have bothered to learn.

    tlhIngan Hol Dajatlh'a'?

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  14. "The idea that sources from the humanities have no philosophical language of their own, that they must be continually speaking in the common language of the common person while the scientists can publish in a language that needs more time to get into, is problematic to me."

    That is precisely the 'scientism' I described having encountered. It appears to be more about status issues within academia than anything else, organisational, not intellectual.

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  15. Well, Bhabha is a genius! Just kidding! I think 'problematic' is a good Aristotelian term.

    pro-b-lema. Plural 'problemata'. Should find out and report.

    ----

    Homi B. writes: (by courtesy of L. J. Kramer):

    The idea that sources [sic in plural] from the humanities have no philosophical language of their own, that they must be continually speaking in the common language of the common person while the scientists can publish in a language that needs more time to get into

    These above seem to me like two different indeas.

    is problematic to me

    I.e. he feels rather more comfy with the negation of both theses:

    (a) The sources of (rather than 'from') the Humanities do have a philosophical language of their own.

    (b) The sources should not be continually speaking in the language of the Common Man
    (while the Scientist speaks in a language is Un-Common).

    Re (a). He is addressing the focus to a philosophy of the Humanities -- whatever they are. -- We should do Grice in the Humanities; this thread should be for Grice in the Dartington Arts College, rather.

    Re (b). He is noting that the sources of the humanities may involve some complicated philosophical lingo which is not for Everyman.

    I would agree re (b): Aristotle on mimesis, for example. This seems to underlie much of what goes by 'classical' -- in the Dartington College of Arts -- sense: 'classical sculpture', 'classical music', etc. But, again Bhabha seems to be wanting to focus on the Humanities rather than the Arts proper -- and I wouldn't know. Etc.

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  16. Butler manages to speak normally.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLnv322X4tY&feature=related

    Problem is localised in her writing arm.

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  17. What an excellent youtube, Jason, thanks. Indeed, she speaks fluently. In a way, she possibly converses even better. Recall that for Grice:

    1. First is to converse: contributions: informative, of quality, relative-to-stuff, and modal.

    2. Then to talk, soliloquy, lecture, etc.

    3. THEN to write. The more of a distance between the point of the maxims (the conversation) the more likely there will be discrepancy. (your 'writing' arm, as Jason calls it).

    ---- Been studying the Dartington Arts College site in the wiki. I don't think I never experienced any thing SO COMPLICATED in terms of campuses! ----

    --- We should do Grice on Campus in a different thread. The multiplicity and naming of campuses at Dartington is enough to amaze Sir Walter Raleigh.

    --- I think it was not a good idea that Dartington should be transferred to Falmouth.

    --- Anyway, no mention of the faculty at Dartington. Etc.

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  18. You'll have, Jason, please, tell us more about your experiences with La Butler at Dartington. I have spent the last half an hour from your youtube to others by LaButler and I'm fascinated! She follows ALL the Gricean Maxims, and implicates very little.
    I was amazed to hear speak in German so fluently. A commenter writes, hatefully, "but she ohs a lot --". Still, she is so fluent it hurts. Her French is also 'magnifique' as she explains to some Parisian students, when she plays playfully with "jouer le role de l'homme" etc. And your own reference, her reminiscence of the boy killed in Main for his 'gay walk' was pretty dramatic. One of the youtubes -- that French documentary -- has her recollect her youth: birth in Cleveland, OH, and her strong connections with the Jewish community. Mentions the rabbi that tutored her and she says that by the age of 14 she wanted to study Spinoza (she was fascinated that the man had been excommunicated from the synagogue), and also the connection between German idealist philosophy and Nazism and 'existential' theology. I like her haircut, too. She says she has many identities. I enjoyed her talk to the Berkeley students -- on some research paper they were supposed to write on Rousseau and where the task was to have HER convinced that Rousseau is worth hearing. She seems to motivate students quite a lot, etc. She says she has many identities, and one that she mentions is "philosopher". The documentary is "philosopher of gender", and that seems to be her forte, right: the non-link, as she calls it, between say, maleness, masculinity and sexuality, etc. That's why I was wondering about the role in the arts college. AND THEN we can do Grice. Etc. -- She is very clear in talking so as you say, her problem may be her writing arm or Dennis Dutton's glasses?!

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  19. The campus is complicated because each college is / was a separate entity - one for economics that Ralf Schumacher worked on, another for the study of organic farming, a private school (shut because of a series of scandals culminating in a murder) and the arts college.

    The placement of JB within an art college probably came from the emphasis placed on gay rights / feminism by staff members such as Caroline Bergvall and Alaric Sumner.

    Enjoyed the last post on 'that' passage from JB.

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  20. Ralf? Or E.F.? The 'Economics as if people mattered' or some such.

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  21. Thanks, and thanks for the academic politics things regarding those two members of the staff who were perhaps responsible for the instituting of LaButler in the curriculum. I don't connect with LaButler on a number of fronts, and it's always interesting to hear other people's experiences.

    I read the Dartington thing originated out of Bloomsbury. Modernism at its best. Perhaps it IS good that the connections with Falmouth are stronger now. I have a friend who has Falmouth connections and taught me a lot about the Falmouth school of 'painting', as it were, with S. Tuke and others. You should tell us more about performance writing.

    LaButler has a good one in a youtube interview. She is talking to a French audience, which you can see because, typically, she wants to endear herself to the audience by dropping the eventual Gallicism (as "Liza Minnelli at the Olympia" did at the Olympia "C'est Liza avec une Z"). LaButler was saying that people gender troubles _are_ problematic: they associate gender with 'fear' and 'death'. And she says, what retrieves a laugh from the audience:

    I have friends, of both sexes
    who says they'd rather
    die than
    wear a dress


    I found the explicitation, 'of both sexes', pretty amusing. LaButler is the type of intellectual that my mother admires: she likes Susan Sontag. My mother dislikes a blonde intellectual -- so LaButler fits well in: short garcon style haircut, dark clothes -- no Joan Rivers jewelry, no high heels. And she speaks pretty clearly -- my mother should be able to follow her. Ah well. Apparently she's not writing on gender issues anymore, but war and stuff.

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