Dreaming with Malcolm and Grice

---- There is an item on "Dreaming" by Grice in the Grice Archive. Then there is of course a book by Malcolm.

Grice has this in folder along with notes on 'clear and distinct perception', the Descartes collocation.

So we need to inquire about the Malcolm/Descartes interface.

The wiki reads:

"In 1959, his book Dreaming was published, in which

he elaborated on Wittgenstein's question as to whether

it really mattered if people who tell dreams

"really had these images while they slept, or whether

it merely seems so to them on waking".

This work was also a response to
Descartes' Meditations".

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Malcolm has a sequel to that in "Philosophical Review" for 1965, where he refers to the Descartes collocation, 'c. & d. p." -- "Dreaming and Scepticism".


The staff at Bancroft has "Descartes" as an 'ancient philosopher,' along with Descartes, and unlike Davidson. But one has to be careful. Here is the wiki:

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"The "dream argument" is the postulation that the act of dreaming provides preliminary evidence that the senses we trust to distinguish reality from illusion should not be fully trusted, and therefore any state that is dependent on our senses should at the very least be carefully examined and rigorously tested to determine whether it is in fact "reality"".

"While people dream, they usually do not realize they are dreaming (if they do, it is called a lucid dream)."

"This has led philosophers to wonder whether one could actually be dreaming constantly, instead of being in waking reality (or at least that one can't be certain that he or she is not dreaming)."

"In the West, the philosophical puzzle is referred to as early as

Plato (Theaetetus 158b-d) and

Aristotle (Metaphysics 1011a6)."

"Having received serious attention in René Descartes' Meditations on First Philosophy, the dream argument has become one of the most popular skeptical hypotheses."

"In the East, this type of argument is well known as "Zhuangzi dreamed he was a butterfly" (莊周夢蝶 Zhuāngzhōu mèng dié) introduced by Zhuangzi. It relates that one night Zhuangzi dreamed that he was a carefree butterfly flying happily. After he woke up, he wondered how he could determine whether he was Zhuangzi who had just finished dreaming he was a butterfly, or a butterfly who had just started dreaming he was Zhuangzi. This was a metaphor for what he referred to as a "great dream.""

"He who dreams of drinking wine may weep when morning comes; he who dreams of weeping may in the morning go off to hunt. While he is dreaming he does not know it is a dream, and in his dream he may even try to interpret a dream. Only after he wakes does he know it was a dream. And someday there will be a great awakening when we know that this is all a great dream. Yet the stupid believe they are awake, busily and brightly assuming they understand things, calling this man ruler, that one herdsman ‑ how dense! Confucius and you are both dreaming! And when I say you are dreaming, I am dreaming, too. Words like these will be labeled the Supreme Swindle. Yet, after ten thousand generations, a great sage may appear who will know their meaning, and it will still be as though he appeared with astonishing speed.[1]"

SIMULATED REALITY:

"Whatever I have accepted until now as

most true has come to me through my senses.

But occasionally I have found that they

have deceived me, and it is unwise to trust

completely those who have deceived us even once. ”

—René Descartes [2]


"Dreaming provides a springboard for those who question whether our own reality may be an illusion. The ability of the mind to be tricked into believing a mentally generated world is the "real world" means at least one variety of simulated reality is a common, even nightly event.[3]

"Those who argue that the world is not simulated must concede that the mind—at least the sleeping mind—is not itself an entirely reliable mechanism for attempting to differentiate reality from illusion.[4]

[edit] References in popular culture

"In Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking-Glass, Alice finds the Red King asleep in the grass; Tweedledum and Tweedledee tell her that the Red King is dreaming about her, and that if he were to wake up she would "go out—bang!—just like a candle.""

"The video game The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening is set on an island supposedly created inside the dreams of a mystical creature known as the Wind Fish. The Wind Fish sleeps inside an egg at the top of a mountain on the dream island. The player, Link, must awaken the Wind Fish in order to leave the island; awakening the fish inside the dream causes the island to disappear."

"In the 1999 movie The Matrix, machines imprison the human race and plug them into "the Matrix," an enormous machine system that uses human bioelectricity and body heat as a power source. Connected to the Matrix, the humans are kept in a dream-like state, in which they dream of being in the world as it is today; they have no reason to suspect that it is anything other than the real world. Certain people sense the innate artificiality of the illusion and, through various means, "wake up," breaking free of the Matrix. The overall theme of the series is the "waking dream" scenario, and speculations on which reality is preferable. This concept is further explored during the second Matrix film where one of the main characters appears to be able to utilise abilities usually used in the "dream" in what the character currently believes is "reality", leaving the viewer to question if the character is in fact in reality, or if they are still inside the dream."

"In the original television series "The Twilight Zone", the episode Shadow Play (written by Charles Beaumont, originally aired May 5, 1961, Season 2, Episode 26) concerns a man trapped in a recurring nightmare in which he dreams he is a prison inmate sentenced to death and to be executed; he tries to convince the characters in his dream that they are only figments of his imagination and that they will cease to exist if the execution is carried out."

"In the 2009 anime Kuroshitsuji (Black Butler) the character Lao brings up this paradox before his death during episode 23."

"Richard Linklater's Waking Life deals mostly with this subject, revolving around a man being aware of having been trapped inside his own dream."

Notes: 1.^ Zhuangzi, Discussion on making all things equal. 2.^ René Descartes, Meditations on First Philosophy.3.^ Joseph Barbera, Henry Moller, Dreaming, Virtual Reality, and Presence.4.^ Giuliana A. L. Mazzoni and Elizabeth F. Loftus, When Dreams Become Reality.[edit] See also Consensus reality, Evil daemon, False awakening
Lucid dreaming, Maya (illusion), Meta-universe, Reality in Buddhism, The Matrix, a fictional example of dream argument, Simulated reality, Simulation hypothesis
Social simulation, Solipsism, Voltaire, and Waking Life.