Wednesday, August 4, 2010
pls refudiate
From online source:
"fundere can mean' cast down, or destroy'. So, when Sarah Palin said ya'll should refudiate that mosque in NY....???"
"fundere can mean' cast down, or destroy'. So, when Sarah Palin said ya'll should refudiate that mosque in NY....???"
Refudiate Latin?
"Edward Caudex"
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"Mrs. Palin's (on-again, off-again, prospective mother-in-law) has situated herself in the best Rabelaisian-Shakespearean-Dodgsonian-Joycean tradition by introducing this coinage into the discourse on Factio Theana-American-Muslim relations. The refute-repudiate-refuse portmanteau incorporates the etyma
"-pud-"
(foot) and
"-fut-"
(the other fut related to 'battuere' and 'futuere').
"Unfortunately, Sarah is probably as clueless about all this as are the journalists. She probably thinks (whatever she may say) that it was a slip of the tongue or an instance of misspeaking rather than a devastating Parthian shot at the
multi-culturalists."
"Those who know what the bottom of the foot and the foot of the bottom mean in some cultures will realize how devastating."
"Btw, all these terms are conceptually related. If "refuse" is from 'refundo' rather than recuso, refuto, it means "fling back" rather than "bat back.""
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"Mrs. Palin's (on-again, off-again, prospective mother-in-law) has situated herself in the best Rabelaisian-Shakespearean-Dodgsonian-Joycean tradition by introducing this coinage into the discourse on Factio Theana-American-Muslim relations. The refute-repudiate-refuse portmanteau incorporates the etyma
"-pud-"
(foot) and
"-fut-"
(the other fut related to 'battuere' and 'futuere').
"Unfortunately, Sarah is probably as clueless about all this as are the journalists. She probably thinks (whatever she may say) that it was a slip of the tongue or an instance of misspeaking rather than a devastating Parthian shot at the
multi-culturalists."
"Those who know what the bottom of the foot and the foot of the bottom mean in some cultures will realize how devastating."
"Btw, all these terms are conceptually related. If "refuse" is from 'refundo' rather than recuso, refuto, it means "fling back" rather than "bat back.""
Refudiate < refundere
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Cassells: Refundo, refundare, refudi, refusum--to pour back, to cause
to flow forth
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Cassells: Refundo, refundare, refudi, refusum--to pour back, to cause
to flow forth
Refudiate Latin?
Milner adds:
"So, when Sarah Palin said ya'll should refudiate that mosque in NY....???"
"So, when Sarah Palin said ya'll should refudiate that mosque in NY....???"
Refudiate Latin?
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?"fuditus, (Mediaeval Latin) pro fusus, a verbo fundere"
fundere can mean' cast down, or destroy'
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?"fuditus, (Mediaeval Latin) pro fusus, a verbo fundere"
fundere can mean' cast down, or destroy'
What's wrong with Minimism?
For the record, I wouldn't think Newman's minimism would be much of an obstacle towards the city of eternal truth. Here from online source:
"[Cardinal] Newman's demeanour towards authority was ever one of submission; but, as he wrote to Phillips de Lisle in 1848, "it is no new thing with me to feel little sympathy with parties, or extreme opinions of any kind." In recommending the Creed he would employ
"a wise and gentle minimism",
not extenuating what was true but setting down nought in malice."
"The "Grammar of Assent" illustrates and defends this method, in which human nature is not left out of account. It is curiously Baconian, for it eschews abstractions and metaphysics, being directed to the problem of concrete affirmation, its motives in fact, and its relation to the personality of the individual. This hitherto unexplored province of apologetics lay dark, while the objective reasons for assent had engrossed attention; we might term it the casuistry of belief. Newman brought to the solution a profound acquaintance with the human heart, which was his own; a resolve to stand by experience; and a subtilty of expression corresponding to his fine analysis. He believed in "implicit" logic, varied and converging proofs, indirect demonstration (ex impossibili or ex absurdo); assent, in short, in not a mechanical echo of the syllogism but a vital act, distinct and determined."
So there.
"[Cardinal] Newman's demeanour towards authority was ever one of submission; but, as he wrote to Phillips de Lisle in 1848, "it is no new thing with me to feel little sympathy with parties, or extreme opinions of any kind." In recommending the Creed he would employ
"a wise and gentle minimism",
not extenuating what was true but setting down nought in malice."
"The "Grammar of Assent" illustrates and defends this method, in which human nature is not left out of account. It is curiously Baconian, for it eschews abstractions and metaphysics, being directed to the problem of concrete affirmation, its motives in fact, and its relation to the personality of the individual. This hitherto unexplored province of apologetics lay dark, while the objective reasons for assent had engrossed attention; we might term it the casuistry of belief. Newman brought to the solution a profound acquaintance with the human heart, which was his own; a resolve to stand by experience; and a subtilty of expression corresponding to his fine analysis. He believed in "implicit" logic, varied and converging proofs, indirect demonstration (ex impossibili or ex absurdo); assent, in short, in not a mechanical echo of the syllogism but a vital act, distinct and determined."
So there.
Grice's pro-platonist remarks
Cfr.
Ontology and logic: remarks on hartry field's anti-platonist philosophy of mathematics. Author: Michael D. Resnika. Affiliation: a Department of Philosophy , ...
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Grice -- Griceian? (Plato, a Platonist?)
From online etymology:
"-ist"
"agent noun suffix, also used to indicate adherence to a certain doctrine or custom, from French "-iste", from Latin "-ista", from Gkreek "-istes", from agential suffix "-tes". Variant -ister (e.g. chorister, barister) is from Old French-istre, on false analogy of ministre. Variant -ista is from Spanish form, popularized in Eng. 1970s by names of Latin-American revolutionary movements."
-- as in Peronistic ("Don't cry for me Argentina").
"-ist"
"agent noun suffix, also used to indicate adherence to a certain doctrine or custom, from French "-iste", from Latin "-ista", from Gkreek "-istes", from agential suffix "-tes". Variant -ister (e.g. chorister, barister) is from Old French-istre, on false analogy of ministre. Variant -ista is from Spanish form, popularized in Eng. 1970s by names of Latin-American revolutionary movements."
-- as in Peronistic ("Don't cry for me Argentina").
The meaning of -istic (was: Platonistic
From online etymological:
"-istic"
adj. suffix, from Latin "-isticus" (often via French "-istique"), from Greek "-istikos", which is adj. suffix "-ikos" added to n. suffix "-istes" (see "-ist").
----
So it seems you need a Platonist (is Plato a Platonist?) -- and then go -ic. Whereas if you grant that Plato is Platonic rather than a Platonist, you stay there ("platonic"). Or something.
"-istic"
adj. suffix, from Latin "-isticus" (often via French "-istique"), from Greek "-istikos", which is adj. suffix "-ikos" added to n. suffix "-istes" (see "-ist").
----
So it seems you need a Platonist (is Plato a Platonist?) -- and then go -ic. Whereas if you grant that Plato is Platonic rather than a Platonist, you stay there ("platonic"). Or something.
Plato, Grice, and Platonism
by JLS for the GC
I would not be afraid to use 'platonic' -- rather than platonistic. I'm never sure what that suffix, in Greek -istikos, is supposed to add.
The Stanford Encyclopedia "Platonism in Mathematics" does not use 'platonic' OR 'platonistic' (just boring Platonism, instead) but cites from Rees in Edwards:
Rees, D.A., 1967, “Platonism and the platonic tradition”, in The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Paul Edwards, ed., New York: Macmillan, vol. 5, 333–341.
--- Sure, that's hardly Frege.
Still, I have a nice book in my (swimming-pool) library: Pater, "Plato and Platonism", which has an otiose ring to it.
I have discussed Platonism in Grice elsewhere -- notably in the classics-L list -- but if I were to add something to the club would be Grice's excellent idea of the 'circle' -- in WoW.
What he says is exactly, almost literally, what Plato is saying in his Seventh Epistle, as I recall. The very same example. I think Thomas, in his double-volume edition, "Greek Mathematics" in the bilingual (Greek-English) Loeb Classical Edition makes a point about this, too.
This is Grice's later (as per 1980) embrace of Platonism:
"The whole idea of using expressions"
such as numbers?
"which are explained in terms of IDEAL limits
would seem to be to operate in this way. The ideal
limits might NOT be realizable in ANY DOMAIN,
or they might be realizable in certain domains
but not in the domain under consideration."
He goes on:
"For instance, the fact that they are not realizable
might be CONTINGENT, or it might be non-contingent"
--- mouthful for 'necessary'.
Grice goes on:
"It might be for one reason or another (let us pretend
for simplicity) that there cannot be in the sublunary
world"
--- I love that phrase. It's so Greek. hypo-selenikos.
----
"any things that are, strictly speaking, circular"
----- As when Proud Mother says,
"Bobby drew a circle".
Surely he didn't.
Grice goes on:
"Nevertheless, that does not prevent us from
applying the word 'circular'"
--- or knowing Bobby, "square"
---
"in the sublunary world, because we apply it
in virtue of approach to, or approximation
to, the ideal limit which is itself not
realized."
"All we need is a way of so to speak measuring
up actual particulars against the unrealizable
quality of the perfect particular"
--- e.g. "Marmaduke Bloggs, the climber of Mt. Everest on hands and knees" -- a perfect particular that is contingently not realizable.
Grice goes on:
"Indeed, maybe something like this
is what Plato went in for."
---- and never returned?
(I add the ref. to Austin because it just amazes me in the best sense the way philosophers of Grice's generation could be so familiar and ready to bring in the 'greats' like Aristotle and Plato like that, and with textual backing, too).
I would not be afraid to use 'platonic' -- rather than platonistic. I'm never sure what that suffix, in Greek -istikos, is supposed to add.
The Stanford Encyclopedia "Platonism in Mathematics" does not use 'platonic' OR 'platonistic' (just boring Platonism, instead) but cites from Rees in Edwards:
Rees, D.A., 1967, “Platonism and the platonic tradition”, in The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Paul Edwards, ed., New York: Macmillan, vol. 5, 333–341.
--- Sure, that's hardly Frege.
Still, I have a nice book in my (swimming-pool) library: Pater, "Plato and Platonism", which has an otiose ring to it.
I have discussed Platonism in Grice elsewhere -- notably in the classics-L list -- but if I were to add something to the club would be Grice's excellent idea of the 'circle' -- in WoW.
What he says is exactly, almost literally, what Plato is saying in his Seventh Epistle, as I recall. The very same example. I think Thomas, in his double-volume edition, "Greek Mathematics" in the bilingual (Greek-English) Loeb Classical Edition makes a point about this, too.
This is Grice's later (as per 1980) embrace of Platonism:
"The whole idea of using expressions"
such as numbers?
"which are explained in terms of IDEAL limits
would seem to be to operate in this way. The ideal
limits might NOT be realizable in ANY DOMAIN,
or they might be realizable in certain domains
but not in the domain under consideration."
He goes on:
"For instance, the fact that they are not realizable
might be CONTINGENT, or it might be non-contingent"
--- mouthful for 'necessary'.
Grice goes on:
"It might be for one reason or another (let us pretend
for simplicity) that there cannot be in the sublunary
world"
--- I love that phrase. It's so Greek. hypo-selenikos.
----
"any things that are, strictly speaking, circular"
----- As when Proud Mother says,
"Bobby drew a circle".
Surely he didn't.
Grice goes on:
"Nevertheless, that does not prevent us from
applying the word 'circular'"
--- or knowing Bobby, "square"
---
"in the sublunary world, because we apply it
in virtue of approach to, or approximation
to, the ideal limit which is itself not
realized."
"All we need is a way of so to speak measuring
up actual particulars against the unrealizable
quality of the perfect particular"
--- e.g. "Marmaduke Bloggs, the climber of Mt. Everest on hands and knees" -- a perfect particular that is contingently not realizable.
Grice goes on:
"Indeed, maybe something like this
is what Plato went in for."
---- and never returned?
(I add the ref. to Austin because it just amazes me in the best sense the way philosophers of Grice's generation could be so familiar and ready to bring in the 'greats' like Aristotle and Plato like that, and with textual backing, too).
Minimisation and Conversational Inference
by JLS for the GC
--- Levinson uses 'minimization', and for only this reason, perhaps then we should stick with Grice's "minimalism", instead.
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Platonistic
By Roger Bishop Jones for The Grice Club
Another one, not really connected with Grice, is ``Platonistic''.
Is there such a word, and would there have been had I not used it already?
There is of course, another Platonic adjective, which I so strongly associate with the lustless love that I am reluctant to use if for anything else.
Am I out of line here? Are both these terms current, and is there a discernible difference of meaning?
RBJ
Another one, not really connected with Grice, is ``Platonistic''.
Is there such a word, and would there have been had I not used it already?
There is of course, another Platonic adjective, which I so strongly associate with the lustless love that I am reluctant to use if for anything else.
Am I out of line here? Are both these terms current, and is there a discernible difference of meaning?
RBJ
Minimalisation
By Roger Bishop Jones, for The Grice Club
Grice talks of minimalisms.
I don't know whether he coined the term (the blogger spell checker knows the word), but it has lead me to talk, in our Carnap/Grice conversation, of ``minimalisation'', and my emacs spell checker, not knowing this word, has suggested (inter alia) minimisation (neither of which is good for blogger, though the latter only because like a good american blogger would like a z instead of the s).
I don't much care for the adoption of lengthy neologisms where we already have a perfectly good word to hand, but I'm not at all sure that the adoption of minimalisms is adequately described as minimisation. Minimisation, for example, in ontology, sounds rather like Occam's razor, having no more than necessary, whereas minimalisation sounds rather more like nominalism (having very little whether or not that is sufficient or convenient).
Is there anything to be said about how Grice would advise me on this topic?
RBJ
Grice talks of minimalisms.
I don't know whether he coined the term (the blogger spell checker knows the word), but it has lead me to talk, in our Carnap/Grice conversation, of ``minimalisation'', and my emacs spell checker, not knowing this word, has suggested (inter alia) minimisation (neither of which is good for blogger, though the latter only because like a good american blogger would like a z instead of the s).
I don't much care for the adoption of lengthy neologisms where we already have a perfectly good word to hand, but I'm not at all sure that the adoption of minimalisms is adequately described as minimisation. Minimisation, for example, in ontology, sounds rather like Occam's razor, having no more than necessary, whereas minimalisation sounds rather more like nominalism (having very little whether or not that is sufficient or convenient).
Is there anything to be said about how Grice would advise me on this topic?
RBJ
Tuesday, August 3, 2010
Sarah Palin and J. L. Austin: How to do things with 'refudiate'
One wonders if 'refudiate' is an explicit performative.
It seems it isn't.
Austin distinguished between
illocutions, like 'convince' (?)
and
perlocutions, like 'persuade'.
My intention (m-intention, in Grice's parlance) may be to convince you, but it cannot be to 'persuade' you. If you get persuaded it's up to you, not up to me.
Ditto with 'refudiate'.
"I hereby refudiate the plans for a mosque near Ground Zero" and "hope that you, peaceful Muslims, refudiate it too".
"Pls refudiate".
--- the illocutionary force indicating device may be a trick, but not impossible to conceptualise.
It seems it isn't.
Austin distinguished between
illocutions, like 'convince' (?)
and
perlocutions, like 'persuade'.
My intention (m-intention, in Grice's parlance) may be to convince you, but it cannot be to 'persuade' you. If you get persuaded it's up to you, not up to me.
Ditto with 'refudiate'.
"I hereby refudiate the plans for a mosque near Ground Zero" and "hope that you, peaceful Muslims, refudiate it too".
"Pls refudiate".
--- the illocutionary force indicating device may be a trick, but not impossible to conceptualise.
Zeno Vendler and Sarah Palin: 'refudiate'
Vendler was a genius. Holdcroft discusses his views in "Words and deeds: problems in the theory of speech acts" (Clarendon Press). Vendler notes that when a waiter says,
"Enjoy!"
he cannot mean what he says. For 'enjoy' cannot be uttered in the imperative.
One wonders about Sarah Palin's utterance,
"pls refudiate".
It seems the intent is indeed to coin a blend.
It would be obtuse to utter, 'repudiate!' in the imperative. The minimalisation to a request, via 'pls', serves no effect.
On the other hand,
'refuse!'
or
'refute!'
work perfectly well with the imperative.
By using the blend, Palin was able to instill a volitional (rational) control on something that usually doesn't ('repudiation').
"Enjoy!"
he cannot mean what he says. For 'enjoy' cannot be uttered in the imperative.
One wonders about Sarah Palin's utterance,
"pls refudiate".
It seems the intent is indeed to coin a blend.
It would be obtuse to utter, 'repudiate!' in the imperative. The minimalisation to a request, via 'pls', serves no effect.
On the other hand,
'refuse!'
or
'refute!'
work perfectly well with the imperative.
By using the blend, Palin was able to instill a volitional (rational) control on something that usually doesn't ('repudiation').
'Refudiate': A breach of Manner?
Grice thought that that Abbott was right in translating Kant's Modalitaet as "Manner". The conversational category of "Manner", Grice has it -- he called it, previously, the category of "Mode", relates to the FORM rather than the content.
It may be argued, and HAS been argued, online, that 'refudiate', quite lexeme, sounds too much like 'repudiate' (indeed, 80% of the world's population who have expressed their thoughts on this think that Palin, by uttering 'refudiate' MEANT 'repudiate' -- but there is a philosophical problem with such a naive view of malaprops -- vide Davidson's Gricean defense of the malaprop in "A nice derangement of epitaphs", in Grandy/Warner, PGRICE) --. It's more of a Palindrome.
----
But to focus on the Manner can only demerit the Quantity and Quality of Palin's suggestion. It's the concept we are after (and some failing to find). The concept of 'refudiate'. Never mind the _form_.
Those who applaud the neologism point to the current gap in the English language to express what 'refudiate' now declares: a strong form of refutation backed by a volition to oppose (repudiation). Add 'refuse' for good measure.
J still thinks Palin may be trying to 'accomodate NY muslims', which may be true. I don't know if she has expanded her views on this.
Many are rather focusing on whether she'll repeat the 'gaffe'. Jesse S, the editor of the OED, said that a proposed entry to the OED needs more than 'a few usages', even if by high-profiled 'utterers'. Or stuff.
It may be argued, and HAS been argued, online, that 'refudiate', quite lexeme, sounds too much like 'repudiate' (indeed, 80% of the world's population who have expressed their thoughts on this think that Palin, by uttering 'refudiate' MEANT 'repudiate' -- but there is a philosophical problem with such a naive view of malaprops -- vide Davidson's Gricean defense of the malaprop in "A nice derangement of epitaphs", in Grandy/Warner, PGRICE) --. It's more of a Palindrome.
----
But to focus on the Manner can only demerit the Quantity and Quality of Palin's suggestion. It's the concept we are after (and some failing to find). The concept of 'refudiate'. Never mind the _form_.
Those who applaud the neologism point to the current gap in the English language to express what 'refudiate' now declares: a strong form of refutation backed by a volition to oppose (repudiation). Add 'refuse' for good measure.
J still thinks Palin may be trying to 'accomodate NY muslims', which may be true. I don't know if she has expanded her views on this.
Many are rather focusing on whether she'll repeat the 'gaffe'. Jesse S, the editor of the OED, said that a proposed entry to the OED needs more than 'a few usages', even if by high-profiled 'utterers'. Or stuff.
Refudiate, Not Repudiate
From online source:
"In the context of her Tweet, Palin wanted people, apparently, to repudiate plans for a mosque near Ground Zero. However, she is now asking us to refudiate them."
"In the context of her Tweet, Palin wanted people, apparently, to repudiate plans for a mosque near Ground Zero. However, she is now asking us to refudiate them."
Refudiate lexical pragmatics
To refudiate.
Symbol: R.
Dyadic relation
Rxy
x refudiates y
----
Meaning postulate
Truth-conditions.
to refudiate that p.
U refudiates that p.
U refudiates x
(x)Rxy --> ... nec/suf. conditions
U is anti x.
U refutes that p.
U repudiates that p.
U repudiates y.
Blend?
--
Symbol: R.
Dyadic relation
Rxy
x refudiates y
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Meaning postulate
Truth-conditions.
to refudiate that p.
U refudiates that p.
U refudiates x
(x)Rxy --> ... nec/suf. conditions
U is anti x.
U refutes that p.
U repudiates that p.
U repudiates y.
Blend?
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Pragmatics of 'refudiate'
From an online source:
"I don't think there is a perfectly good word with that meaning right now. I think that's why refudiate is so funny, and really in a way captures the spirit of some types of modern political debate. It's the combination of "refute"- to prove wrong (which implies actually having the information necessary to make a proof) and "repudiate" - to disclaim or reject (which doesn't actually require information as much as forceful opinion). It's the perfect word for what Palin and others like her do - they either don't have the information or can't be bothered to put it together to refute an argument, but they act as if they have proven something rather than just repudiating an argument. Or maybe they're repudiating the need to refute? I don't know, but something about that combination is really funny. I agree that her attempt to claim she intentionally made up a new word, as opposed to screwing up, is absurd and reflects really poorly on her. But the word itself has something going for it, I think."
"I don't think there is a perfectly good word with that meaning right now. I think that's why refudiate is so funny, and really in a way captures the spirit of some types of modern political debate. It's the combination of "refute"- to prove wrong (which implies actually having the information necessary to make a proof) and "repudiate" - to disclaim or reject (which doesn't actually require information as much as forceful opinion). It's the perfect word for what Palin and others like her do - they either don't have the information or can't be bothered to put it together to refute an argument, but they act as if they have proven something rather than just repudiating an argument. Or maybe they're repudiating the need to refute? I don't know, but something about that combination is really funny. I agree that her attempt to claim she intentionally made up a new word, as opposed to screwing up, is absurd and reflects really poorly on her. But the word itself has something going for it, I think."
Refudiate the semantic-pragmatic distinction
Palin's intention, despite what critics say, was clear enough: peaceful Muslims were politely ('pls') asked to refudiate a mosque ("Cordoba House" -- the name seems politically incorrect).
A semanticist would argue that to ask politely to refudiate a mosque does not hold 'water', when you have not provided its truthiness or truth-conditions for the state of affairs that has to be accomplished to grant Palin that wish.
A pragmaticist would counter-argue that when utterer uttered 'refudiate', utterer meant refudiate. To ask for a componential analysis of each 'lexeme' we utter seems too demanding, and indeed wrong. Or something.
The question is that Palin did believe the mosque had to be refudiated. What she 'said' is less important than what she did. Any Griceian or Austinian would agree with her there.
A semanticist would argue that to ask politely to refudiate a mosque does not hold 'water', when you have not provided its truthiness or truth-conditions for the state of affairs that has to be accomplished to grant Palin that wish.
A pragmaticist would counter-argue that when utterer uttered 'refudiate', utterer meant refudiate. To ask for a componential analysis of each 'lexeme' we utter seems too demanding, and indeed wrong. Or something.
The question is that Palin did believe the mosque had to be refudiated. What she 'said' is less important than what she did. Any Griceian or Austinian would agree with her there.
Refudiate: The 2010 Oxford Word of the Year
From OUP's website:
"So maybe we won’t see it listed along with truthiness and bootylicious anytime soon, but could refudiate join the ranks of unfriend, hypermiling, and locavore as the 2010 Oxford Word of the Year?"
"So maybe we won’t see it listed along with truthiness and bootylicious anytime soon, but could refudiate join the ranks of unfriend, hypermiling, and locavore as the 2010 Oxford Word of the Year?"
Jesse Sheidlower, 'refudiate'
From OUP's website:
"I asked Jesse Sheidlower, Editor at Large (North America) of the Oxford English Dictionary, if there were any plans to include the word blend in the OED. “As with any word,” Sheidlower said, “we always pay attention to what’s out there, and when something becomes common enough, we will consider adding it to the dictionary. However, it would take more than a few uses, even high-profile ones, in order to get such a word into the OED.”"
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"I asked Jesse Sheidlower, Editor at Large (North America) of the Oxford English Dictionary, if there were any plans to include the word blend in the OED. “As with any word,” Sheidlower said, “we always pay attention to what’s out there, and when something becomes common enough, we will consider adding it to the dictionary. However, it would take more than a few uses, even high-profile ones, in order to get such a word into the OED.”"
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Refudiate this, word snobs!
From OUP's website:
"OUP lexicographer Christine Lindberg comments thus: "...
Refudiate this, word snobs!""
"OUP lexicographer Christine Lindberg comments thus: "...
Refudiate this, word snobs!""
Palindrome, Palindrone
From OUP's website:
"Peter Sokolowksi of Merriam-Webster wonders, “What shall we call this? The Palin-drome?”"
"Peter Sokolowksi of Merriam-Webster wonders, “What shall we call this? The Palin-drome?”"
Juvenile Wee-Weed Ups
From online source:
"President Barack Obama deliberately chose to use the phrase "wee-weed up" as a way to invoke the juvenile bed-wetting nervousness inside the Beltway."
"President Barack Obama deliberately chose to use the phrase "wee-weed up" as a way to invoke the juvenile bed-wetting nervousness inside the Beltway."
Aspiring semanticist: Palin
From online source:
"Re-fu-di-ate (ri-fyoo-de-at') vt. To deny or else to prove wrong or perhaps something in between those quite different meanings. Merging of repudiate and refute first coined by former vice-presidential candidate and aspiring semanticist Sarah Palin."
cfr. 'despiring pragmaticist'
"Re-fu-di-ate (ri-fyoo-de-at') vt. To deny or else to prove wrong or perhaps something in between those quite different meanings. Merging of repudiate and refute first coined by former vice-presidential candidate and aspiring semanticist Sarah Palin."
cfr. 'despiring pragmaticist'
A wee-wee'd up corpseman?
From online source:
"White House spokesman Robert Gibbs later defined it thusly: “I think ‘wee-wee’d up’ is when people get nervous for no particular reason,” he said."
"White House spokesman Robert Gibbs later defined it thusly: “I think ‘wee-wee’d up’ is when people get nervous for no particular reason,” he said."
Palin's Object of Refudiation
From wiki:
"Cordoba House
In 2010 controversy arose concerning the development of Cordoba House, a mosque and cultural center planned at a site two blocks from the World Trade Center site. The builders say it is intended to represent moderate Islam.[48] But, given its proximity to Ground Zero, it has stirred controversy among people suspicious of the motives behind it, and led to comments for and against it being built at that location from families of 9/11 victims, politicians, organizations, and academics.[49]"
"Cordoba House
In 2010 controversy arose concerning the development of Cordoba House, a mosque and cultural center planned at a site two blocks from the World Trade Center site. The builders say it is intended to represent moderate Islam.[48] But, given its proximity to Ground Zero, it has stirred controversy among people suspicious of the motives behind it, and led to comments for and against it being built at that location from families of 9/11 victims, politicians, organizations, and academics.[49]"
The semantic argument against: "Do not multiply words beyond necessity" ('refudiate')
From online source which disregards 'refute':
"I think she meant “repudiate”, which is to reject with disapproval or condemnation. I think three rules should apply to adding a neologism to our lexicon (boy, isn’t THAT statement a mouthful?): 1) Does the word expand into general usage – no matter who said it? 2) Is there an acceptable definition? 3) Does the word’s definition encompass existing definitions of more than one word, thus helping to simplify an otherwise complex and confusing language?"
"I think she meant “repudiate”, which is to reject with disapproval or condemnation. I think three rules should apply to adding a neologism to our lexicon (boy, isn’t THAT statement a mouthful?): 1) Does the word expand into general usage – no matter who said it? 2) Is there an acceptable definition? 3) Does the word’s definition encompass existing definitions of more than one word, thus helping to simplify an otherwise complex and confusing language?"
The etymological argument against ('refudiate')
From online source:
""Refudiate" should not be included in the dictionary. Why? Because “refuse” has a clear etymology in the Latin re+fusare, “to turn back/away.” “Repudiate” does also; from re+pudium, to kick away, reject. There is no word “fudium” or “fudare.”"
""Refudiate" should not be included in the dictionary. Why? Because “refuse” has a clear etymology in the Latin re+fusare, “to turn back/away.” “Repudiate” does also; from re+pudium, to kick away, reject. There is no word “fudium” or “fudare.”"
refudiate: vomit?
From online source:
"Even if you meant “refute” or “repudiate” or “vomit” or any number of viable verbs available to us in your little “tweet,” the clarity of the “tweet” fails. As my old rhetoric professor would say, I don’t know if you’re “f’r it, or agin’ it.” The fact is: some want a mosque near Ground Zero and Palin, who identifies with “the heartland,” which, as I understand is middle America, apparently does not. The mosque will be used by New Yorkers who need to worship and we should leave it up to them to decide whether it’s appropriate or not. Even if I thought it mattered though, why on Earth would it stab “peaceful Muslims” in the heart to build a mosque near Ground Zero? The events of 9/11 were POLITICAL events, not RELIGIOUS events. It is unfortunate that the two are so easily confused."
"Even if you meant “refute” or “repudiate” or “vomit” or any number of viable verbs available to us in your little “tweet,” the clarity of the “tweet” fails. As my old rhetoric professor would say, I don’t know if you’re “f’r it, or agin’ it.” The fact is: some want a mosque near Ground Zero and Palin, who identifies with “the heartland,” which, as I understand is middle America, apparently does not. The mosque will be used by New Yorkers who need to worship and we should leave it up to them to decide whether it’s appropriate or not. Even if I thought it mattered though, why on Earth would it stab “peaceful Muslims” in the heart to build a mosque near Ground Zero? The events of 9/11 were POLITICAL events, not RELIGIOUS events. It is unfortunate that the two are so easily confused."
Entry for 'refudiate': word "celebrated by idiots"
From online source:
"refudiate (RE – fyoo – DEE – ate). Verb (used with object)."
"To prove erroneous and reject with extreme prejudice."
"Origin: 2010 (by the woman who gave Obama the presidency – thank you Sarah); rarely used by anyone of average intelligence; banned by those with any measure of common sense; celebrated by idiots and people who actually think Sarah Palin represents most conservatives."
"refudiate (RE – fyoo – DEE – ate). Verb (used with object)."
"To prove erroneous and reject with extreme prejudice."
"Origin: 2010 (by the woman who gave Obama the presidency – thank you Sarah); rarely used by anyone of average intelligence; banned by those with any measure of common sense; celebrated by idiots and people who actually think Sarah Palin represents most conservatives."
Precise semantics (Carnapian meaning postulate) for "refudiate"
From online source:
refudiate:
"a conjunction of repudiate (i.e., renounce the planned building) and refute (i.e., dispute the notion that it is necessary and appropriate at that exact location)."
refudiate:
"a conjunction of repudiate (i.e., renounce the planned building) and refute (i.e., dispute the notion that it is necessary and appropriate at that exact location)."
Grice and Palin on meaning and use: "pls refudiate"
From online source:
"As for introducing “refudiate” into common use, I have little problem with that, except I cannot quite figure out its exact meaning and don’t understand how it would be used correctly; Ms. Palin’s own context, “Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate” doesn’t answer this for me."
"As for introducing “refudiate” into common use, I have little problem with that, except I cannot quite figure out its exact meaning and don’t understand how it would be used correctly; Ms. Palin’s own context, “Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate” doesn’t answer this for me."
Monday, August 2, 2010
Implicatures in Cartoons
Sometimes I THINK of keeping the cartoons I read because some are really intersting concerning 'implicatures'. I only read: Blondie, Andy Cap, Fred Basset and a few others -- Dilbert, too.
One from Blondie ran: Bumstead is ordering an order of hamburgher on the intercom outside a fast-food drive-in. "I'd like a big hamburger with a big order of french fries". Second square his wife stares at him. Third square: "But I'll order a salad instead."
------ The person taking the order -- you can see -- is at odds.
This is a case of an 'indirect' speech act. Surely he did not have to CANCEL anything, since, implicatures, unlike orders, ARE cancellable, by default.
One from Blondie ran: Bumstead is ordering an order of hamburgher on the intercom outside a fast-food drive-in. "I'd like a big hamburger with a big order of french fries". Second square his wife stares at him. Third square: "But I'll order a salad instead."
------ The person taking the order -- you can see -- is at odds.
This is a case of an 'indirect' speech act. Surely he did not have to CANCEL anything, since, implicatures, unlike orders, ARE cancellable, by default.
What "Refudiate" MEANSNN
An online writer said that "refudiate" (this is in the urban dictionary) means, "I am a [insert insult here]." I would argue as much if it's so-miscalled "natural" meaning, but there are tricks.
In the same issue of that Newsweek which contained the Palin gaffe there was a pretentious article by a woman on psychologists experimenting on WEIRD undergrads. Where Weird stands for Western Educated Industrial republican democrats, or something. The article ended with a note about the actual i.e. factive universality of 'expressions of emotions', which got me thinking -- for 1 minute.
Indeed, it would be ODD that if I pinch you you will smile or laugh. Depends on with what. But if I hit you, say, you would hardly smile, or laugh either. Most likely you'll utter 'ouch' and display a facial gesture which will naturally-mean (in Grice's odd technicism) that your emotion is bad.
These things, the writer were saying, are UNIVERSAL. What is NOT universal is our sense of cooperativeness. She went on to explain that most undergraduates which are WEIRD and which constitute the 2/3 of the psychology-experiment population (our new rats, she called them) are 'pretty fair'. Same experiments in Turkey proved that in the prisoner-dilemma and some such, Turkey respondents would not care a fig about coming out with a fair or 'cooperative' deal.
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And then I shouldn't be reading cartoons, either.
In the same issue of that Newsweek which contained the Palin gaffe there was a pretentious article by a woman on psychologists experimenting on WEIRD undergrads. Where Weird stands for Western Educated Industrial republican democrats, or something. The article ended with a note about the actual i.e. factive universality of 'expressions of emotions', which got me thinking -- for 1 minute.
Indeed, it would be ODD that if I pinch you you will smile or laugh. Depends on with what. But if I hit you, say, you would hardly smile, or laugh either. Most likely you'll utter 'ouch' and display a facial gesture which will naturally-mean (in Grice's odd technicism) that your emotion is bad.
These things, the writer were saying, are UNIVERSAL. What is NOT universal is our sense of cooperativeness. She went on to explain that most undergraduates which are WEIRD and which constitute the 2/3 of the psychology-experiment population (our new rats, she called them) are 'pretty fair'. Same experiments in Turkey proved that in the prisoner-dilemma and some such, Turkey respondents would not care a fig about coming out with a fair or 'cooperative' deal.
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And then I shouldn't be reading cartoons, either.
But then I shouldn't be reading Newsweek
Thing is -- it comes with the Sunday edition of my local newspaper -- hence my learning of the Palin gaffe et al.
Fudd and Palin, on reFUDiate
"Clearly she is channeling one of the great minds of the last century...Elmer Fudd" -- with thanks to J.
Palin's nod to Fudd
From online source:
"by substituting '-fud-' for '-pud-' for her numerous Muslim followers, the obvious reference is to Elmer Fudd."
"by substituting '-fud-' for '-pud-' for her numerous Muslim followers, the obvious reference is to Elmer Fudd."
"Refudiate": Elmer Fudd and Sarah Palin
From online source:
"To refudiate is a well-known descriptive verb for what Bugs Bunny does to Elmer Fudd. The spell checker on my computer obviously has never watched Saturday cartoons. This clever usage by Sarah Palin gives me a hunch who ghost-writes for her: Bob Dylan, the respected Christian songwriter. Everyone knows that a woman cannot write creative stuff like Dylan's song, "Man Gave names to the Animals"".
"To refudiate is a well-known descriptive verb for what Bugs Bunny does to Elmer Fudd. The spell checker on my computer obviously has never watched Saturday cartoons. This clever usage by Sarah Palin gives me a hunch who ghost-writes for her: Bob Dylan, the respected Christian songwriter. Everyone knows that a woman cannot write creative stuff like Dylan's song, "Man Gave names to the Animals"".
Sarah Palin and Elmer Fudd
Thanks to J for the utterance.
From
Urban Dictionary: Refudiate
Refudiate (v): To return something to the status of Elmer Fudd. By picking the shotgun off the ground, he was able to refudiate himself.
From
Urban Dictionary: Refudiate
Refudiate (v): To return something to the status of Elmer Fudd. By picking the shotgun off the ground, he was able to refudiate himself.
"refudiate", 'repudiate"
From online source:
"P and F are the same letter in several languages. You have to know which from the context. Other languages often have one but not the other."
"P and F are the same letter in several languages. You have to know which from the context. Other languages often have one but not the other."
Dodgsonian portmanteau
From online source:
"Portmanteau isn't that elite of a concept; any non-English major who manages to pass my sophomore poetry survey (from Beowulf to Brooks, in 15 weeks!) will define it on the midterm, and get a couple extra exam points for making one up. Now, I'd be more inclined to believe Palin wrote her own defense of the word if she'd cited Lewis Carroll, but yeah, even state university Comm majors might read a little Shakespeare."
"Portmanteau isn't that elite of a concept; any non-English major who manages to pass my sophomore poetry survey (from Beowulf to Brooks, in 15 weeks!) will define it on the midterm, and get a couple extra exam points for making one up. Now, I'd be more inclined to believe Palin wrote her own defense of the word if she'd cited Lewis Carroll, but yeah, even state university Comm majors might read a little Shakespeare."
More clever than 'misunderestimate'
From online source:
""refute" + "repudiate" is much more clever than "misunderestimate.""
""refute" + "repudiate" is much more clever than "misunderestimate.""
"refudiate"
From online source:
"Most people are missing Palin's subtlety here. The word "refudiate" doesn't exist, nor do "peaceful Muslims" exist."
"Most people are missing Palin's subtlety here. The word "refudiate" doesn't exist, nor do "peaceful Muslims" exist."
"pls" or "plz"?
From online source:
"Wait...people spell things wrong on Twitter? Since when? For the record, is the official character-shortening version of 'please' 'pls' or 'plz'?"
"Wait...people spell things wrong on Twitter? Since when? For the record, is the official character-shortening version of 'please' 'pls' or 'plz'?"
"A nice little portmanteau"
From online source:
"I'm no Palin fan, but I love new words."
"It's a nice little portmanteau, and I have no reason to believe she's not witty enough to enjoyed coming up with it."
"It's the kind of thing one might even create with a typo or a misspeak, but that's how creation happens, and I like it."
"It works, too, unlike a simple bungled or garbled usage."
"Yes, I have "misunderestimate" in mind. Also funny, but I doubt its intentionality much more."
"I'm no Palin fan, but I love new words."
"It's a nice little portmanteau, and I have no reason to believe she's not witty enough to enjoyed coming up with it."
"It's the kind of thing one might even create with a typo or a misspeak, but that's how creation happens, and I like it."
"It works, too, unlike a simple bungled or garbled usage."
"Yes, I have "misunderestimate" in mind. Also funny, but I doubt its intentionality much more."
Good for Palin
From online source:
"Whether it was a word before Palin's tweet, "refudiate" is one now. And it's not bad -- right up there with the best of Bush's and Eisenhower's neologisms. All the lefty Palin-haters out there can't claim anything nearly so creative. Good for you, Sarah, even if you didn't mean it."
"Whether it was a word before Palin's tweet, "refudiate" is one now. And it's not bad -- right up there with the best of Bush's and Eisenhower's neologisms. All the lefty Palin-haters out there can't claim anything nearly so creative. Good for you, Sarah, even if you didn't mean it."
Both labials: pff-t
"Maybe she dictates into a recorder. Her speaking patterns might blend "p" and "f.""
'refudiate' in wiki and 'urban dictionary'
1. Refudiate. When Sarah Palin decides regular English words aren't good enough, she'll just go ahead and make a new one. Here, Refudiate bridges the gap between "refuse" and "repudiate", to mean exactly what she wants it to mean.
"The President and his wife ... they can refudiate what this group (the NAACP) is saying."
- Sarah Palin, on Fox News
2. Refudiate
"A term used to indicate the underlying racism of the speaker. If you as a racist need another group to give up their culture you ask that group to refudiate their beliefs and culture. Users of this term reject the English language, facts, rationalism and black people."
Sarah Palin asked NY Muslims to "refudiate" their mosque near the 9/11 WTC site.
3. Refudiate
"A made-up English word: a combination of two legitimate words; "refute" and "repudiate". This is similar to George W. Bush's use of the word "misunderestimate" several years prior.
"Used by Sarah Palin multiple times in print and conversation, she claims her use of "refudiate" is simply her "contributing to the living language" and justifying her ignorance by saying that "Shakespeare liked to coin new words too"."
"She (Palin) asked Michelle Obama to “refudiate” claims that the Tea Party movement is racist."
4. refudiate, to reject with denial. A portmanteau of repudiate and refuse, famously coined by conservative commentator, Vice Presidential candidate, and drop-out Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. An earlier instance of the word is found in the June 25, 2010 New York Times article, "When Capitalism Meets Cannabis". Here, journalist David Segal, quoted a legal marijuana seller. The quote demonstrated a common expressive dysfunction among these people, who would neologize in a chronic marijuana haze. Sarah Palin's innate cognitive abilities allowed her to independently coin the term on the July 14, 2010 Fox News show, Hannity.
Sarah Palin used the neologism again in a post to her Twitter account on July 18, 2010. After she was educated by her audience, she deleted the offending post and attempted a correction with two more posts containing the words, "refute" and "reject". As way of explanation, she compared herself, as a wordsmith, to Shakespeare and asked readers to celebrate her mistakes.
July 18, 2010: Ground Zero mosque supporters, doesn’t it stab you in the heart as it does ours throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, (please) refudiate.
July 14, 2010: (The Obamas) could refudiate what it is that (the NAACP) is saying. They could set the record straight.
June 25, 2010: ...interviewing pot sellers is unlike interviewing anyone else... Simple yes-or-no questions yield 10-minute soliloquies. Words are coined on the spot, like “refudiate,” and regular words are used in ways that make sense only in context.
5. "Refudiate Means "I'm a stupid [...]" in Alaskan dialect. Often followed up by comparing yourself to Shakespeare and clumsy attempts at covering your tracks.
Ground Zero Mosque Supporters: doesn't it stab you in the heart, as it does ours throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate
misunderestimate wee-wee'd i'm a smacktard repudiate i am a stupid [...]"
6. Refudiate. A word used to indicate that those who insist that English be our only language are seldom masters of its usage!"
7. Refudiate. "Term exemplifying the lack of Culture of Tea Party Anarchists.
Combination of the word "repudiate" and "refuse." Commonly used by people with very poor education."
- Joe, you should refudiate muslims.
- Huh? What language are you speaking?
- Chillax man, I'm like Shakespeare.
8 Refudiate. "Word coined by the "Wasilla Hillbilly Shakespeare" meaning to really tell someone off. When that Levi started opening his piehole and saying nasty things about me, I told Bristol, 'You better refudiate that boy if you want to stay part of this family.'
9. Refudiate. "To reveal one's ignorance whilst attempting to sound clever.
Sarah Palin totally refudiated herself again last night. Is she incapable of using a thesaurus or what?"
10. Refudiate. "The act of refusing to repudiate a behavior or action one has done by indirect means, usually by evading or changing the subject. Sarah Palin refudiated her error in typing 'refudiate' instead of 'refute' by claiming she was purposefully coining a new word."
11. Refudiate. "A word made up by Sarah Palin.
Repudiate said wrong."
12. Refudiate. Refudiate (v): To return something to the status of Elmer Fudd.
By picking the shotgun off the ground, he was able to refudiate himself."
13. Refudiate. "Portmanteau of "refuse" and "repudiate" to make clear you mean "refuse" as in to refuse to accept; especially: to reject as unauthorized or as having no binding force: to reject as untrue or unjust . With a couple of exceptions — Mr. Bellingham among them — interviewing pot sellers is unlike interviewing anyone else in business. Simple yes-or-no questions yield 10-minute soliloquies. Words are coined on the spot, like “refudiate”...
nytimes.com/2010/06/27/business/27pot
"The President and his wife ... they can refudiate what this group (the NAACP) is saying."
- Sarah Palin, on Fox News
2. Refudiate
"A term used to indicate the underlying racism of the speaker. If you as a racist need another group to give up their culture you ask that group to refudiate their beliefs and culture. Users of this term reject the English language, facts, rationalism and black people."
Sarah Palin asked NY Muslims to "refudiate" their mosque near the 9/11 WTC site.
3. Refudiate
"A made-up English word: a combination of two legitimate words; "refute" and "repudiate". This is similar to George W. Bush's use of the word "misunderestimate" several years prior.
"Used by Sarah Palin multiple times in print and conversation, she claims her use of "refudiate" is simply her "contributing to the living language" and justifying her ignorance by saying that "Shakespeare liked to coin new words too"."
"She (Palin) asked Michelle Obama to “refudiate” claims that the Tea Party movement is racist."
4. refudiate, to reject with denial. A portmanteau of repudiate and refuse, famously coined by conservative commentator, Vice Presidential candidate, and drop-out Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. An earlier instance of the word is found in the June 25, 2010 New York Times article, "When Capitalism Meets Cannabis". Here, journalist David Segal, quoted a legal marijuana seller. The quote demonstrated a common expressive dysfunction among these people, who would neologize in a chronic marijuana haze. Sarah Palin's innate cognitive abilities allowed her to independently coin the term on the July 14, 2010 Fox News show, Hannity.
Sarah Palin used the neologism again in a post to her Twitter account on July 18, 2010. After she was educated by her audience, she deleted the offending post and attempted a correction with two more posts containing the words, "refute" and "reject". As way of explanation, she compared herself, as a wordsmith, to Shakespeare and asked readers to celebrate her mistakes.
July 18, 2010: Ground Zero mosque supporters, doesn’t it stab you in the heart as it does ours throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, (please) refudiate.
July 14, 2010: (The Obamas) could refudiate what it is that (the NAACP) is saying. They could set the record straight.
June 25, 2010: ...interviewing pot sellers is unlike interviewing anyone else... Simple yes-or-no questions yield 10-minute soliloquies. Words are coined on the spot, like “refudiate,” and regular words are used in ways that make sense only in context.
5. "Refudiate Means "I'm a stupid [...]" in Alaskan dialect. Often followed up by comparing yourself to Shakespeare and clumsy attempts at covering your tracks.
Ground Zero Mosque Supporters: doesn't it stab you in the heart, as it does ours throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate
misunderestimate wee-wee'd i'm a smacktard repudiate i am a stupid [...]"
6. Refudiate. A word used to indicate that those who insist that English be our only language are seldom masters of its usage!"
7. Refudiate. "Term exemplifying the lack of Culture of Tea Party Anarchists.
Combination of the word "repudiate" and "refuse." Commonly used by people with very poor education."
- Joe, you should refudiate muslims.
- Huh? What language are you speaking?
- Chillax man, I'm like Shakespeare.
8 Refudiate. "Word coined by the "Wasilla Hillbilly Shakespeare" meaning to really tell someone off. When that Levi started opening his piehole and saying nasty things about me, I told Bristol, 'You better refudiate that boy if you want to stay part of this family.'
9. Refudiate. "To reveal one's ignorance whilst attempting to sound clever.
Sarah Palin totally refudiated herself again last night. Is she incapable of using a thesaurus or what?"
10. Refudiate. "The act of refusing to repudiate a behavior or action one has done by indirect means, usually by evading or changing the subject. Sarah Palin refudiated her error in typing 'refudiate' instead of 'refute' by claiming she was purposefully coining a new word."
11. Refudiate. "A word made up by Sarah Palin.
Repudiate said wrong."
12. Refudiate. Refudiate (v): To return something to the status of Elmer Fudd.
By picking the shotgun off the ground, he was able to refudiate himself."
13. Refudiate. "Portmanteau of "refuse" and "repudiate" to make clear you mean "refuse" as in to refuse to accept; especially: to reject as unauthorized or as having no binding force
nytimes.com/2010/06/27/business/27pot
Link to Palin SAYING 'refudiate'
The WaPo version of the story, http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/07/palin-invents-word-compares-he.html, includes a video clip of her using "refudiate" quite clearly.
ShakesPalin
"She didnt mean repudiate. If she did, she would not have compared herself to Shakespeare."
Handwritten utterance: "p" and "f"
"Maybe she handwrites things that somebody else types. F and P are very close in handwriting." ('refudiate')
"Ground Zero Mosque supporters: doesn't it stab you in the heart, as it does ours throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate" -- 'ours'
Palin uttered:
"Ground Zero Mosque supporters: doesn't it stab you in the heart, as it does ours throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate."
From online source:
correction:
"Ground Zero Mosque supporters: doesn't it stab you in the heart, as it does US throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate."
"I think it should read 'stab you in the heart as it does us", not "ours"-- keeping it in the objective case."
"Ground Zero Mosque supporters: doesn't it stab you in the heart, as it does ours throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate."
From online source:
correction:
"Ground Zero Mosque supporters: doesn't it stab you in the heart, as it does US throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate."
"I think it should read 'stab you in the heart as it does us", not "ours"-- keeping it in the objective case."
They are both labials: p and f
From online source:
"They're both labials, p and f." (Was: 'refudiate')
"They're both labials, p and f." (Was: 'refudiate')
"A clever portmanteau out of 'refuse' and 'repudiate'"
"a clever portmanteau out of "refuse" and "repudiate"" -- from online source.
First metalinguistic use of 'refudiate' by Palin -- again Newsweek quoted that started the thread in this blog
Palin wrote:
"'Refudiate,' 'misunderestimate,' 'wee-wee'd up.' English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!"
"'Refudiate,' 'misunderestimate,' 'wee-wee'd up.' English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!"
Original Palin 'refudiate' utterance -- later deleted from Twitter:
"Ground Zero Mosque supporters:
doesn't it stab you in the heart, as it does
ours throughout the heartland?
Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate."
doesn't it stab you in the heart, as it does
ours throughout the heartland?
Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate."
Gap filled: 'refudiate', 'dupper'
From online source:
"Refute means 'to disprove' and repudiate means 'to reject, disassociate oneself from'. Not exactly a subtle difference." Cfr. dupper. (dinner and supper).
"In many dialects, 'dinner' is the largest meal of the day; not necessarily the evening meal. 'Dupper' would have the advantage of explicitly referring to a large evening meal."
"Refute means 'to disprove' and repudiate means 'to reject, disassociate oneself from'. Not exactly a subtle difference." Cfr. dupper. (dinner and supper).
"In many dialects, 'dinner' is the largest meal of the day; not necessarily the evening meal. 'Dupper' would have the advantage of explicitly referring to a large evening meal."
Refudiate: dupper or brunch?
From online source:
"For a portmanteu word to be worthwhile, the two words it blends should have distinct meanings. "Brunch" is a useful word because breakfast and lunch aren't the same thing. But if someone combined dinner and supper into a new word (e.g. dupper), what purpose would it serve? Granted, "refute" and "repudiate" may have subtle differences in meaning, but that doesn't seem like much of a defense. Out of all the established portmanteu words in our language, is there a single one where the two words from which it derives are anywhere close to being synonyms?"
"For a portmanteu word to be worthwhile, the two words it blends should have distinct meanings. "Brunch" is a useful word because breakfast and lunch aren't the same thing. But if someone combined dinner and supper into a new word (e.g. dupper), what purpose would it serve? Granted, "refute" and "repudiate" may have subtle differences in meaning, but that doesn't seem like much of a defense. Out of all the established portmanteu words in our language, is there a single one where the two words from which it derives are anywhere close to being synonyms?"
Palinese: Chortles refudiate frumiously
From online source:
"Liberal pundits had a field day, as when Andy Borowitz predicted of a Palin presidency, "Her first official act will be to cancel the agreement between nouns and verbs. Next, she'll replace the English language with Palinese: a language known only to her."
"Liberal pundits had a field day, as when Andy Borowitz predicted of a Palin presidency, "Her first official act will be to cancel the agreement between nouns and verbs. Next, she'll replace the English language with Palinese: a language known only to her."
"Refudiate": Sense and Implicatum
From the motivated-grammar blog,
online:
"Assuming that the mosque is the object, we can then be pretty sure that repudiate is the intended meaning, as you can’t refute a thing."
"Refuting is the act of disproving or rebutting or showing to be erroneous, which must be done to an argument, claim, belief, or something of the like."
"To refute a mosque would be, I suppose, to prove that it does not exist, in which case the whole tweet would become quite unnecessary."
"It isn’t a blend; it’s just a variant form of repudiate. Because she introduced the word in a domain already solidly ruled by another word, refudiate has no reason to catch on.And so, sadly, the meaning that people will think of for refudiate will not be the reasonable meaning that blends refutation and repudiation into a rebuttal-and-disavowal. Worse, because of Palin’s awkward attempt to justify it away, the word will be a laughingstock for the near future. This has poisoned what could have been a good word. But at least it gives us a cautionary tale. Refudiate coulda had class. It coulda been a contender. Instead, it’s the butt of a joke. If you have a pet word that you’ve been nurturing, and you want to see it find its way into the language, don’t introduce it as an identical replacement for an existing word. Don’t omit its context. And don’t ever treat it like a typo. Be proud of your word, thrust it into the light of day, make clear what exactly it means, and you’ll be the proud parent of a word."
online:
"Assuming that the mosque is the object, we can then be pretty sure that repudiate is the intended meaning, as you can’t refute a thing."
"Refuting is the act of disproving or rebutting or showing to be erroneous, which must be done to an argument, claim, belief, or something of the like."
"To refute a mosque would be, I suppose, to prove that it does not exist, in which case the whole tweet would become quite unnecessary."
"It isn’t a blend; it’s just a variant form of repudiate. Because she introduced the word in a domain already solidly ruled by another word, refudiate has no reason to catch on.And so, sadly, the meaning that people will think of for refudiate will not be the reasonable meaning that blends refutation and repudiation into a rebuttal-and-disavowal. Worse, because of Palin’s awkward attempt to justify it away, the word will be a laughingstock for the near future. This has poisoned what could have been a good word. But at least it gives us a cautionary tale. Refudiate coulda had class. It coulda been a contender. Instead, it’s the butt of a joke. If you have a pet word that you’ve been nurturing, and you want to see it find its way into the language, don’t introduce it as an identical replacement for an existing word. Don’t omit its context. And don’t ever treat it like a typo. Be proud of your word, thrust it into the light of day, make clear what exactly it means, and you’ll be the proud parent of a word."
Not a hapax legomenon
From online source:
"Her second use of "refudiate" in her tweet is an indirect way to suggest that her use of such a word on Fox was not unintentional. It's the same strategy as writing on her hand and showing it off to everyone after she was caught doing it the first time. It serves two purposes: 1) to suggest she's not a poor speaker and thinker and 2) it serves as an "in your face" to her opponents in the eyes of her supporters. I'll admit, she has a way of using her fumblings to rile up the base."
"Her second use of "refudiate" in her tweet is an indirect way to suggest that her use of such a word on Fox was not unintentional. It's the same strategy as writing on her hand and showing it off to everyone after she was caught doing it the first time. It serves two purposes: 1) to suggest she's not a poor speaker and thinker and 2) it serves as an "in your face" to her opponents in the eyes of her supporters. I'll admit, she has a way of using her fumblings to rile up the base."
Not a hapax legomenon
Her second use of "refudiate" in her tweet is an indirect way to suggest that her use of such a word on Fox was not unintentional. It's the same strategy as writing on her hand and showing it off to everyone after she was caught doing it the first time. It serves two purposes: 1) to suggest she's not a poor speaker and thinker and 2) it serves as an "in your face" to her opponents in the eyes of her supporters. I'll admit, she has a way of using her fumblings to rile up the base.
"refudiate pls"
From online source:
"I took 'refudiate' to be a useful portmanteau word, meaning repudiate the mosque plan and thereby refute the impression that you do not feel as we do (stabbed in the heart)."
"I took 'refudiate' to be a useful portmanteau word, meaning repudiate the mosque plan and thereby refute the impression that you do not feel as we do (stabbed in the heart)."
A triple portmanteau: 'refudiate'
From an online source:
"Couldn't it be a blend of "repudiate" and "refuse" rather than "refute"? These two verbs are closer semantically and "refuse" is more appropriate to the context."
"Couldn't it be a blend of "repudiate" and "refuse" rather than "refute"? These two verbs are closer semantically and "refuse" is more appropriate to the context."
Not an obvious euphemism: "refudiate' (pudenda)
From online source:
"There isn't any close connection between "repudiate" and "pudenda". "Repudiate" comes from Latin repudio, repudiare (note the i), meaning to put away. "Pudenda" comes from Latin pudeo, pudere (note the e, which by the way is short), meaning to be ashamed. I'm not saying there's no connection — I don't know about the IE roots — but there's certainly no close connection in the Latin."
"There isn't any close connection between "repudiate" and "pudenda". "Repudiate" comes from Latin repudio, repudiare (note the i), meaning to put away. "Pudenda" comes from Latin pudeo, pudere (note the e, which by the way is short), meaning to be ashamed. I'm not saying there's no connection — I don't know about the IE roots — but there's certainly no close connection in the Latin."
'refudiate' as polite euphemism
It has been argued that Palin uses 'refudiate' to avoid 'rePudiate', which is cognate with 'pudenda'.
Neat semantics for 'refudiate' with a sentence example
From online source:
'refudiate, to disavow due to falsifying.
"Despite his earlier acceptance of the first Critique,
Riemann refudiated Kant by discovering a consistent
non-Euclidean geometry."
'refudiate, to disavow due to falsifying.
"Despite his earlier acceptance of the first Critique,
Riemann refudiated Kant by discovering a consistent
non-Euclidean geometry."
Pirots refudiate frumiously
From online source:
""refudiate" is a blend of "repudiate" (roughly, "disavow") and "refute" (roughly, "disavow")."
"I can't make any sense of this tweet unless Palin actually thinks "refute" means "disavow"."
"Maybe, at best, "argue against"–you can certainly refute by arguing against, but they're hardly synonymous."
"If I'm not mistaken, you can't "refute" a plan."
""refudiate" is a blend of "repudiate" (roughly, "disavow") and "refute" (roughly, "disavow")."
"I can't make any sense of this tweet unless Palin actually thinks "refute" means "disavow"."
"Maybe, at best, "argue against"–you can certainly refute by arguing against, but they're hardly synonymous."
"If I'm not mistaken, you can't "refute" a plan."
The meaning of 'refudiate': A Griceian analysis
by J. L. Speranza, for the Grice Club
THE THREAD WAS STARTED after quoting directly from the Newsweek. Most commentaries in the thread are relevant and they would merit independent sub-commentary, in that each raises a particular point.
POINTS TO CONSIDER:
---- the reduction of 'expression' meaning to 'utterer meaning' (or implicature). She said (but later deleted), in Twitter that peaceful Muslims should refudiate the mosque being built nereby. It was not clear if they should refudiate, always peacefully, of course, the mosque or the mosque PLAN. She deleted the message and wrote instead that what peaceful Muslims should do is to REFUTE the mosque plan. This irrirated some liberals who thought she had meant 'rePudiate' and had a 'typo' with the 'f' -- two keys which are far away in the keyboard. Plus, she had used the verb, 'reFudiate' in a TV interview, so it was not a LEXICAL issue, but strictly semantical.
---- pragmatics. It has been argued that the context was clear to some -- not to me: peaceful Muslims should do something bad, yet still peaceful, with that plan of the mosque. It was argued that since the INTENT to communicate THAT was obvious, the word had to be understood in context. Critics who read her remark like that counterargued that by the same token, the catholic church near the bombing in Oklahoma should also be 'refudiated' by peaceful Catholics.
----- The semantics of 'refudiate': the case for portmanteau. This is the best case. It argues that 'refudiate' is a portmanteau word from 'refute' and 'repudiate', alla Humpty Dumpty's "Jabberwocky". The problem is pragmatic. It has been argued that if you refute something there's no need to repudiate it, or vice versa. "To repudiate something you have just overthrown by argument seems totally otiose: there's 'refute' and 'repudiate'; 'refudiate' is just a mess" -- they'd argue.
----- The case of malaprop. Some have argued along these lines, but the weak point, as J notes is that Dogberry (or Malaprop) is 'meant' by the author (Shakespeare or Sheridan) such that his or her utterance carry an unintended 'implicature'. There's no need to bring in this layer of sophisticated meaning-intentions at this point, since Palin said she was COINING a word.
----- It has been argued that she was not very modest. Instead of admitting that he mispelled or mispronounced a word ('repudiate') she got the wrong word ('refute') and said she, like Shakespeare, likes to coin words. "English is a living thing". Contra this, it has been argued that every typo would thus be a coinage -- making most students in public schools real 'geniuses' and thus allowing less heavy taxes on the population on state-run education. This is perhaps one implicature too many.
Etc.
THE THREAD WAS STARTED after quoting directly from the Newsweek. Most commentaries in the thread are relevant and they would merit independent sub-commentary, in that each raises a particular point.
POINTS TO CONSIDER:
---- the reduction of 'expression' meaning to 'utterer meaning' (or implicature). She said (but later deleted), in Twitter that peaceful Muslims should refudiate the mosque being built nereby. It was not clear if they should refudiate, always peacefully, of course, the mosque or the mosque PLAN. She deleted the message and wrote instead that what peaceful Muslims should do is to REFUTE the mosque plan. This irrirated some liberals who thought she had meant 'rePudiate' and had a 'typo' with the 'f' -- two keys which are far away in the keyboard. Plus, she had used the verb, 'reFudiate' in a TV interview, so it was not a LEXICAL issue, but strictly semantical.
---- pragmatics. It has been argued that the context was clear to some -- not to me: peaceful Muslims should do something bad, yet still peaceful, with that plan of the mosque. It was argued that since the INTENT to communicate THAT was obvious, the word had to be understood in context. Critics who read her remark like that counterargued that by the same token, the catholic church near the bombing in Oklahoma should also be 'refudiated' by peaceful Catholics.
----- The semantics of 'refudiate': the case for portmanteau. This is the best case. It argues that 'refudiate' is a portmanteau word from 'refute' and 'repudiate', alla Humpty Dumpty's "Jabberwocky". The problem is pragmatic. It has been argued that if you refute something there's no need to repudiate it, or vice versa. "To repudiate something you have just overthrown by argument seems totally otiose: there's 'refute' and 'repudiate'; 'refudiate' is just a mess" -- they'd argue.
----- The case of malaprop. Some have argued along these lines, but the weak point, as J notes is that Dogberry (or Malaprop) is 'meant' by the author (Shakespeare or Sheridan) such that his or her utterance carry an unintended 'implicature'. There's no need to bring in this layer of sophisticated meaning-intentions at this point, since Palin said she was COINING a word.
----- It has been argued that she was not very modest. Instead of admitting that he mispelled or mispronounced a word ('repudiate') she got the wrong word ('refute') and said she, like Shakespeare, likes to coin words. "English is a living thing". Contra this, it has been argued that every typo would thus be a coinage -- making most students in public schools real 'geniuses' and thus allowing less heavy taxes on the population on state-run education. This is perhaps one implicature too many.
Etc.
Sunday, August 1, 2010
Semantics for 'refudiate'
From online source:
"I'll give it a try."
"repudiate. A, verb. 1, repudiate.
refuse to acknowledge, ratify, or recognize as valid
refute ( ) tr.v. , -futed , -futing , -futes.
To prove to be false or erroneous; overthrow by argument or proof:
refudiate. verb.
to refuse to acknowledge, ratify, or recognize as valid after having been proven to be false or erroneous.
----
"Don't think so."
"Once you have actually 'refuted' something, 'repudiating' it is kind of redundant at best."
"And overthrowing by proof is in some respects the very opposite of simply refusing to even acknowledge it."
"In the latter, you are distancing yourself from a proposition, in the former, you are engaging it head on."
"Just don't think it works."
"We have reject, refute and repudiate. refudiate is just a mess."
"I'll give it a try."
"repudiate. A, verb. 1, repudiate.
refuse to acknowledge, ratify, or recognize as valid
refute ( ) tr.v. , -futed , -futing , -futes.
To prove to be false or erroneous; overthrow by argument or proof:
refudiate. verb.
to refuse to acknowledge, ratify, or recognize as valid after having been proven to be false or erroneous.
----
"Don't think so."
"Once you have actually 'refuted' something, 'repudiating' it is kind of redundant at best."
"And overthrowing by proof is in some respects the very opposite of simply refusing to even acknowledge it."
"In the latter, you are distancing yourself from a proposition, in the former, you are engaging it head on."
"Just don't think it works."
"We have reject, refute and repudiate. refudiate is just a mess."
Palin, Shakespeare, and Grice
From online source:
"Hey, Sarah might be onto something here. If every misspelled word is a new word because "English is a living language", then every high school student in Texas is just like Shakespeare a hundred times over in every single essay they write. Our students are actually brilliant...we just never saw it before. So we can cut even more spending on education, fire more teachers, and give the richest Americans another huge tax break! SARAH'S A GENIUS!"
"Hey, Sarah might be onto something here. If every misspelled word is a new word because "English is a living language", then every high school student in Texas is just like Shakespeare a hundred times over in every single essay they write. Our students are actually brilliant...we just never saw it before. So we can cut even more spending on education, fire more teachers, and give the richest Americans another huge tax break! SARAH'S A GENIUS!"
Utterer's meaning, word meaning -- and Sarah Palin
From online source:
"Is a word a word or not? Don't go by the dictionary. Go by usage. If a word is being used, it is a word, and will eventually be added to dictionaries. Since we are using the word, it is a word."
"Is a word a word or not? Don't go by the dictionary. Go by usage. If a word is being used, it is a word, and will eventually be added to dictionaries. Since we are using the word, it is a word."
Pirots refudiate elatically
From online source:
"One of the neat things about English is that it has evolved over time and has no governing body. Unlike France, which has some sort of commission to rule on what's proper French and what's not, the English language simply evolves. People make up new words every day."
"If Sarah Palin says "refudiate" is a word, then it's a word."
"Not that I'm a supporter or Palin."
"One of the neat things about English is that it has evolved over time and has no governing body. Unlike France, which has some sort of commission to rule on what's proper French and what's not, the English language simply evolves. People make up new words every day."
"If Sarah Palin says "refudiate" is a word, then it's a word."
"Not that I'm a supporter or Palin."
The Implicature of "Refudiate"
From an online source:
"How typical of pompous, holier than thou Liberals, to jump on Sarah Palin because she screws up 'repudiate'. We all knew what she meant and she used the word in proper context and that's all that matters."
"EXCEPT SHE DID NO SUCH THING, OR SHE WOULD HAVE EXPLAINED THAT SHE CLEARLY MEANT 'REPUDIATE' BUT JUST HAD A SLIP OF THE TONGUE. SHE'S USED IT TWICE BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THE WORD WAS. AND THEN SHE SAID SHE MEANT 'REFUTE'. ONLY THAT WAS EVEN DUMBER, SO HER THIRD EXCUSE WAS TO CLAIM SHE WAS MAKING UP A NEW WORD ALTOGETHER."
"Ohhh but of course to the backwards thinking Liberal all that matters is that she misspelled it. So clearly she's an idiot."
"SHE DIDN'T MISSPELL ANYTHING EITHER. SHE WAS TALKING."
"How typical of pompous, holier than thou Liberals, to jump on Sarah Palin because she screws up 'repudiate'. We all knew what she meant and she used the word in proper context and that's all that matters."
"EXCEPT SHE DID NO SUCH THING, OR SHE WOULD HAVE EXPLAINED THAT SHE CLEARLY MEANT 'REPUDIATE' BUT JUST HAD A SLIP OF THE TONGUE. SHE'S USED IT TWICE BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THE WORD WAS. AND THEN SHE SAID SHE MEANT 'REFUTE'. ONLY THAT WAS EVEN DUMBER, SO HER THIRD EXCUSE WAS TO CLAIM SHE WAS MAKING UP A NEW WORD ALTOGETHER."
"Ohhh but of course to the backwards thinking Liberal all that matters is that she misspelled it. So clearly she's an idiot."
"SHE DIDN'T MISSPELL ANYTHING EITHER. SHE WAS TALKING."
Not hapax legomenon
From online source:
"First, thanks for pointing out that this wasn't Palin's first use of her invented word."
"What I figure happened is that she was so tickled that she managed to sneak in a long and smart-sounding word in her spot on Fox that she couldn't resist using it again, still utterly clueless that it wasn't a word."
"I'll further note that anyone who reads "all of them" should have already been very familiar with the word "repudiate"; those of us who read "all of them" might flub the pronunciation, but you wouldn't repeat that mistake in print if you were familiar with seeing the word on a printed page."
"It's pretty obvious that Sarah picked up a new word toy and didn't know how to properly operate it before rolling it out in public."
"First, thanks for pointing out that this wasn't Palin's first use of her invented word."
"What I figure happened is that she was so tickled that she managed to sneak in a long and smart-sounding word in her spot on Fox that she couldn't resist using it again, still utterly clueless that it wasn't a word."
"I'll further note that anyone who reads "all of them" should have already been very familiar with the word "repudiate"; those of us who read "all of them" might flub the pronunciation, but you wouldn't repeat that mistake in print if you were familiar with seeing the word on a printed page."
"It's pretty obvious that Sarah picked up a new word toy and didn't know how to properly operate it before rolling it out in public."
What She Meant
From an online source:
"Muslims should refudiate the mosque."
"OK, I am no fan of Palin and think she is not worth reporting on. However, are we jumping on her here for "inventing" a word. The real question is, did you understand what she meant. It appears that virtually everyone did, they understood the point being made. Hey, the words kind of fit and who knows, they may survive as good English Language words, time and usage will tell. At the end, why not deal with the point that she was making, granted for some it is difficult, but deal with her issue."
"Muslims should refudiate the mosque."
"OK, I am no fan of Palin and think she is not worth reporting on. However, are we jumping on her here for "inventing" a word. The real question is, did you understand what she meant. It appears that virtually everyone did, they understood the point being made. Hey, the words kind of fit and who knows, they may survive as good English Language words, time and usage will tell. At the end, why not deal with the point that she was making, granted for some it is difficult, but deal with her issue."
Palin's English
From online source:
""refudiate, of course, is not a word in the English language""
"what are you talking about? Now it is a word in the English language, thanks to Sarah Palin. Just like "lamestream" as in the lamestream media... you know, the lying, liberal, lazy, lousy main stream media like The Washington Post. She has been using that for a year now... another word she brought into the public discourse?"
""refudiate, of course, is not a word in the English language""
"what are you talking about? Now it is a word in the English language, thanks to Sarah Palin. Just like "lamestream" as in the lamestream media... you know, the lying, liberal, lazy, lousy main stream media like The Washington Post. She has been using that for a year now... another word she brought into the public discourse?"
The meaning of 'refudiate'
From online source:
""Refudiate" I have heard people use this word. If it isn't in the language, officially, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The dictionaries do not develop the words, or literacy, but only insert them within some time frame after their origin."
""Refudiate" I have heard people use this word. If it isn't in the language, officially, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The dictionaries do not develop the words, or literacy, but only insert them within some time frame after their origin."
Palinese
From online source:
re·fud·iate
–verb (used with object)
"to denounce a rude and public affront on one group of society by another that can cause angst or individual pain brought about by some previous event; deny the ownership of or responsibility for; repudiate; renounce: to disown agreement with; to disown a published position or statement."
Origin:
"2010 July On the twittersphere (also a new word) coined by Sarah Palin (the twenty first century sage and political leader who continuously infuriated liberals and the political left in the USA by her simple common sense social and economic thinking, typical of the flourishing Reagan period when America was globally respected and economical strong)"
—Related forms
re·fudiat·ment, noun
—Synonyms
renounce, disclaim, disavow, reject, abjure.
re·fud·iate
–verb (used with object)
"to denounce a rude and public affront on one group of society by another that can cause angst or individual pain brought about by some previous event; deny the ownership of or responsibility for; repudiate; renounce: to disown agreement with; to disown a published position or statement."
Origin:
"2010 July On the twittersphere (also a new word) coined by Sarah Palin (the twenty first century sage and political leader who continuously infuriated liberals and the political left in the USA by her simple common sense social and economic thinking, typical of the flourishing Reagan period when America was globally respected and economical strong)"
—Related forms
re·fudiat·ment, noun
—Synonyms
renounce, disclaim, disavow, reject, abjure.
Palin's malaprop: 'refudiate'
From online source:
"The word 'refudiate' could be a brilliant addition to the English language, as a malapropism (repudiate+refute=refudiate) .......or as a portmanteau, like global+local=glocal OR even synthesis+energy=synergy, etc."
"The word 'refudiate' could be a brilliant addition to the English language, as a malapropism (repudiate+refute=refudiate) .......or as a portmanteau, like global+local=glocal OR even synthesis+energy=synergy, etc."
What Palin Meant
From an online source:
"I get it. She made a mistake and used a non-existent word. Big deal. But then she "corrected" it, presumably after consulting a dictionary, and again used the wrong word. You "refute" an argument, not a thing or an action. I think she meant "repudiate"."
Malaprop?
"I get it. She made a mistake and used a non-existent word. Big deal. But then she "corrected" it, presumably after consulting a dictionary, and again used the wrong word. You "refute" an argument, not a thing or an action. I think she meant "repudiate"."
Malaprop?
Pragmatics Refudiated
Palin proposes:
'to refudiate', misunderestimate, we-wee.
From online source:
"Ha ha ha, I find it so infimiscious that Sara Palin has to make up word to get her point across. Just the thought of implicitude and amerticiousness coming from palin is hilarious to say the least."
'to refudiate', misunderestimate, we-wee.
From online source:
"Ha ha ha, I find it so infimiscious that Sara Palin has to make up word to get her point across. Just the thought of implicitude and amerticiousness coming from palin is hilarious to say the least."
Palin's communicative intentions: refudiating a mosque
From online source:
"The Twittersphere erupted Sunday when former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin tweeted that "peaceful Muslims" should "refudiate" the mosque being built in New York City near where the Twin Towers once stood. Palin found herself the butt of many tweets, as refudiate, of course, is not a word in the English language. After deleting the offending tweet, Palin replaced it with another calling on "peaceful New Yorkers" to "refute the Ground Zero mosque plan," which only added to the confusion because it would appear the word she was looking for was "repudiate.""
i. The Muslims should refudiate the mosque.
ii. The Muslims should refute the mosque -- and its plan.
iii. The Muslims should repudiate the mosque.
"The Twittersphere erupted Sunday when former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin tweeted that "peaceful Muslims" should "refudiate" the mosque being built in New York City near where the Twin Towers once stood. Palin found herself the butt of many tweets, as refudiate, of course, is not a word in the English language. After deleting the offending tweet, Palin replaced it with another calling on "peaceful New Yorkers" to "refute the Ground Zero mosque plan," which only added to the confusion because it would appear the word she was looking for was "repudiate.""
i. The Muslims should refudiate the mosque.
ii. The Muslims should refute the mosque -- and its plan.
iii. The Muslims should repudiate the mosque.
Grice and Sarah Palin on the meaning of words
From this week's Newsweek:
""English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin words, too" -- Sarah Palin, former U. S. vice presidential candidate, justifying her Twitter post calling for Muslims to 'refudiate' the building of a moseque near Ground Zero."
""English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin words, too" -- Sarah Palin, former U. S. vice presidential candidate, justifying her Twitter post calling for Muslims to 'refudiate' the building of a moseque near Ground Zero."
Sound Barrier
From Quinion: "The website of the Courier-Mail of Brisbane on 26 July headlined a
story thus: "Motorbike rider killed after hitting 170km/h before
slamming into car and crashing through sound barrier." Thanks to
Colin Burt for spotting that. Sound must travel slowly in Brisbane."
story thus: "Motorbike rider killed after hitting 170km/h before
slamming into car and crashing through sound barrier." Thanks to
Colin Burt for spotting that. Sound must travel slowly in Brisbane."
"Born on 1 Marh 1928, in Ashland, Mississippi, the Mitchell family moved to Memphis, Tennessee when Willie was just two years old"
I was reading an issue of the British magazine "Juke Blues" the other day, which has an article about Willie Mitchell, a soul record producer.
"Born on 1 March 1928, in Ashland, Mississippi, the Mitchell family moved to Memphis, Tennessee when Willie was just two years old."
An odd family: parents and children born on the same day.
------ cfr. Grice, "Actions and Events" -- and "Way of Words".
"Born on 1 March 1928, in Ashland, Mississippi, the Mitchell family moved to Memphis, Tennessee when Willie was just two years old."
An odd family: parents and children born on the same day.
------ cfr. Grice, "Actions and Events" -- and "Way of Words".
Implicatum vs. Implicature: Why the Processology Doesn't Matter
by J. L. Speranza, Esq.
for the Grice Club.
From Quinion's today's "World Wide Words"
"YET ANOTHER OLOGY A couple of newspaper reports this week quoted
British government ministers uttering the word PROCESSOLOGY. They
used it in derisive terms for journalists who, in the opinion of
the speakers, devote more time to studying the way decisions are
arrived at than in reporting the decisions themselves. Tony Blair's
former official spokesman, Godric Smith, has been credited with
introducing it into British political jargon soon after he was
appointed in June 2001, though it has also been linked to his
predecessor, Alastair Campbell."
--- In a way it connects with Grice's obsessive emphasis on distinguishing the 'implicature' (Latin 'implicatura'), the 'implying' -- from the 'implicatum' (what is implied).
I tend to recognise a philosopher from other animals by the former's total disrespect for the processology. On the other hand, non-philosophers are forever worried with the 'processology' (real-time psycholinguistically real, in their jargon) working out of an 'implicatum'. As if it mattered!
---
for the Grice Club.
From Quinion's today's "World Wide Words"
"YET ANOTHER OLOGY A couple of newspaper reports this week quoted
British government ministers uttering the word PROCESSOLOGY. They
used it in derisive terms for journalists who, in the opinion of
the speakers, devote more time to studying the way decisions are
arrived at than in reporting the decisions themselves. Tony Blair's
former official spokesman, Godric Smith, has been credited with
introducing it into British political jargon soon after he was
appointed in June 2001, though it has also been linked to his
predecessor, Alastair Campbell."
--- In a way it connects with Grice's obsessive emphasis on distinguishing the 'implicature' (Latin 'implicatura'), the 'implying' -- from the 'implicatum' (what is implied).
I tend to recognise a philosopher from other animals by the former's total disrespect for the processology. On the other hand, non-philosophers are forever worried with the 'processology' (real-time psycholinguistically real, in their jargon) working out of an 'implicatum'. As if it mattered!
---
Charged by the Word
By J. L. Speranza, Esq.
for the Grice Club
The following from Quinion's today's "World Wide Words" -- it may have a general bearing with Grice's so-called (by him, surely) "conversational category of Quantity".
"ONPASSING To judge from incoming comments, "onpassing" is fairly
widespread and common in newspapers and broadcasting and goes back
decades. Doug Fisher, a former AP news editor, noted, "AP had an
internal message wire on which such usages were frequent, such as
'wx' for 'weather,' 'whether' or 'Washington'; 'onpass'; 'upsend';
'overhead' (meaning to use the phone, not the wire); 'sappest'
(meaning urgent, easier to type than the all-cap ASAP, I guess). As
a result, it also became common jargon in many newsrooms." Chips
Mackinolty and Jonathan Kern both noted the word in the similar
compressed language, often called telegraphese or cablese, used for
cables to and from reporters overseas. These were charged by the
word and the need for economy in phrasing led to inventiveness."
Kramer may agree.
for the Grice Club
The following from Quinion's today's "World Wide Words" -- it may have a general bearing with Grice's so-called (by him, surely) "conversational category of Quantity".
"ONPASSING To judge from incoming comments, "onpassing" is fairly
widespread and common in newspapers and broadcasting and goes back
decades. Doug Fisher, a former AP news editor, noted, "AP had an
internal message wire on which such usages were frequent, such as
'wx' for 'weather,' 'whether' or 'Washington'; 'onpass'; 'upsend';
'overhead' (meaning to use the phone, not the wire); 'sappest'
(meaning urgent, easier to type than the all-cap ASAP, I guess). As
a result, it also became common jargon in many newsrooms." Chips
Mackinolty and Jonathan Kern both noted the word in the similar
compressed language, often called telegraphese or cablese, used for
cables to and from reporters overseas. These were charged by the
word and the need for economy in phrasing led to inventiveness."
Kramer may agree.
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